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    Hi all, I have a photoshoot for my school's club tomorrow. They wanted an outdoor group photo in the late afternoon. Is it possible for the external flash EX550 be able to illuminate the whole group of 19 members if i wanted to correctly expose the sky (i.e. i am using the external flash as fill flash)?

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    Yes it's possible. Fill-in flash is just what it sound like...to fill certain areas, not to illuminate the whole scene. This is if you are shooting outdoors as you've mentioned. May need to go manual mode. Do a few test shots just to be safe and if still not sure bracket your shots since you may not get an opportunity to shoot with this group again (19 People).
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    mount your camera on a tripod
    meter for flash to subject and get correct exposure via aperture
    then adjust shutter speed to get the correct exposure for background

    taking into consideration that if your shutter speed is too slow,
    you will get subject movement

    keep in mind that you still have ISO speed to adjust

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbma View Post
    Yes it's possible. Fill-in flash is just what it sound like...to fill certain areas, not to illuminate the whole scene. This is if you are shooting outdoors as you've mentioned. May need to go manual mode. Do a few test shots just to be safe and if still not sure bracket your shots since you may not get an opportunity to shoot with this group again (19 People).
    position is an important factor...

    if they do tis...

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    or

    ooooooo
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    oooooo

    still ok...

    if they do

    o
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    ...

    then jackpot liao...

    anyway depends on the quality etc, 1 flash direct, 1st row sure overblown 1... a bounce is prefered...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    position is an important factor...

    if they do tis...

    oooooooooo
    ooooooooo

    or

    ooooooo
    oooooo
    oooooo

    still ok...

    if they do

    o
    o
    o
    o
    o
    o
    o
    o
    o
    o
    ...

    then jackpot liao...

    anyway depends on the quality etc, 1 flash direct, 1st row sure overblown 1... a bounce is prefered...
    outdoor how to bounce, you teach leh.....
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    Default Re: help on fill flash

    bounce the flash from the underbelly of an airplane

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    bounce the flash from the underbelly of an airplane
    wait..u need a flash extender to reach the underbelly of the plane first..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blazer_workz View Post
    wait..u need a flash extender to reach the underbelly of the plane first..
    are you sure about that?

    but ... but .... i see lots of photographers shoot outdoors with flash head pointing up

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    outdoor how to bounce, you teach leh.....
    eng bounce card or lightsphere lah... lao eh... master dun tease me ok...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    bounce the flash from the underbelly of an airplane
    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    are you sure about that?

    but ... but .... i see lots of photographers shoot outdoors with flash head pointing up
    if airplane fly too low, than hair will get messy,

    maybe that's why a lot of model shoots all got messy hair....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    eng bounce card or lightsphere lah... lao eh... master dun tease me ok...
    you always shoot too fast, never think twice...
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    GeckoZ, borrow your thread to ask more question. Good chance to learn from experts here
    If it is night outdoor, 1-2 person half body portrait.
    Equipment : 17-40 f4, 580EX, LSII
    How can I get the background and person bright/sharp? I am very new to flash so switch to E-TTL all the time.
    1) I tried metering the background first, then exposure lock and focus on the person. Lightsphere on and pointing 90 degrees upwards. Fire! The subject need to freeeeezeeee for a few secs... not a easy task.
    2) Dummy way, switch to "night portrait" and can get reasonably good results but subject (the person face) seems overexposed most of the time...

    Any advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniUltraman View Post
    GeckoZ, borrow your thread to ask more question. Good chance to learn from experts here
    If it is night outdoor, 1-2 person half body portrait.
    Equipment : 17-40 f4, 580EX, LSII
    How can I get the background and person bright/sharp? I am very new to flash so switch to E-TTL all the time.
    1) I tried metering the background first, then exposure lock and focus on the person. Lightsphere on and pointing 90 degrees upwards. Fire! The subject need to freeeeezeeee for a few secs... not a easy task.
    2) Dummy way, switch to "night portrait" and can get reasonably good results but subject (the person face) seems overexposed most of the time...

    Any advice?
    seem both you and TS need lesson on flash...try SLCC...they have good flash lesson at a good price...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    are you sure about that?

    but ... but .... i see lots of photographers shoot outdoors with flash head pointing up
    ya lor...how they bounce...why they point up?? as good as no flash...is this a new way to take photo???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    are you sure about that?

    but ... but .... i see lots of photographers shoot outdoors with flash head pointing up
    to get a constant "sutter speed" in "A" mode
    Last edited by ioriroger; 8th February 2007 at 01:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miniUltraman View Post
    GeckoZ, borrow your thread to ask more question. Good chance to learn from experts here
    If it is night outdoor, 1-2 person half body portrait.
    Equipment : 17-40 f4, 580EX, LSII
    How can I get the background and person bright/sharp? I am very new to flash so switch to E-TTL all the time.
    1) I tried metering the background first, then exposure lock and focus on the person. Lightsphere on and pointing 90 degrees upwards. Fire! The subject need to freeeeezeeee for a few secs... not a easy task.
    2) Dummy way, switch to "night portrait" and can get reasonably good results but subject (the person face) seems overexposed most of the time...

    Any advice?
    if u want the background and person bright and sharp, u'll need the subject to be very close to the background, or the background itself must be brighten up by the atmosphere lightings.

    for night portrait mode.. i need another expert to explain on the overexposure too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    are you sure about that?

    but ... but .... i see lots of photographers shoot outdoors with flash head pointing up
    Are they put something like dome diffuser on the flash head? If yes, it means like flashing lamp to inform people "hey, I take a shot..". The dome diffuser also to protect flash head from bird drop outdoor .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    are you sure about that?

    but ... but .... i see lots of photographers shoot outdoors with flash head pointing up
    Not so sure..but i think tendency to bounce off a plane very small..can bounce off clouds??
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniUltraman View Post
    GeckoZ, borrow your thread to ask more question. Good chance to learn from experts here
    If it is night outdoor, 1-2 person half body portrait.
    Equipment : 17-40 f4, 580EX, LSII
    How can I get the background and person bright/sharp? I am very new to flash so switch to E-TTL all the time.
    1) I tried metering the background first, then exposure lock and focus on the person. Lightsphere on and pointing 90 degrees upwards. Fire! The subject need to freeeeezeeee for a few secs... not a easy task.
    2) Dummy way, switch to "night portrait" and can get reasonably good results but subject (the person face) seems overexposed most of the time...

    Any advice?
    Your exposure was a few seconds at F/4?

    What ISO did you use?
    Last edited by Clockunder; 8th February 2007 at 09:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artosoft View Post
    Are they put something like dome diffuser on the flash head? If yes, it means like flashing lamp to inform people "hey, I take a shot..". The dome diffuser also to protect flash head from bird drop outdoor .

    Regards,
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    No lahz..tat one is water bottle..shoot outdoor must be well hydrated..the flash helps to keep the temperature of water just right for drinking...
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