Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying?

psccy · 30th January 2007

Hi people...

Desperately trying to find a nice camera that can shoot IR well... Have been trying out with my Sony H1 with a 72 hoya filter, but the results are never sharp and almost always very red...

Thinking about the Sony F717... anyone shooting IR with it? Do I have to mod or can I shoot IR with a 72 hoya and get clear shots like the ones that are posted here... really envious with some of your shots here...

You can see the type I get through this thread...

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=244655

vortex · 30th January 2007

u a sony fan?

the Sony F828 lor but abit ex...but confirm can shoot IR. same with the 717

or get a older Coolpix 990 or KM Dynax 7 and mod them

teerex · 30th January 2007

Does the Hi have Night Mode? If yes, try switching it on and shoot with the IR filter. Might Work. I know that it works with the F717.

tomcat · 30th January 2007

I believe for F717 and F828, if use Night Mode without modification, must use ND filters together with IR filter for IR shooting. Otherwise the resulting images would be grossly over-exposed.

psccy · 30th January 2007

I did a series of shots on a sunny day... Sadly I did not include any object in the foreground... so only the trees in the background and some running track to look at...

All shots not proposed... Shot with Sony H1 using Fine JPEG (best option... no TIFF or RAW)
I feel that the shots with the filter on normally very noisy or blur... is that true?
Which photo would you use to process in PS?

Normal shot taken. f/3.5, ISO 64, exposure 1/500 sec

taken with 72 Hoya, f/3.5, ISO64, exposure 5 sec, custom WB

taken with 72 Hoya, f/3.5, ISO64, exposure 3 sec, custom WB

taken with 72 Hoya, f/3.5, ISO64, exposure 4 sec, tungsten WB

dstjahjono · 30th January 2007

Have 717 and use Hoya IR72 and CPL.

So far so good, quite satisfied but thinking to buy another ND filter.

Always take the picture in Nightshot mode as no need tripod.

Useful links for IR 717,
1. Tutorial - http://www.pbase.com/jerrykneupper/ir_tutorial&page=all
2. Color correction - http://www.pbase.com/catson/color_infrared_workflow

BTW, seems F828 is slightly better as it can take on ISO50 (cmiiw).

psccy · 30th January 2007

Originally Posted by teerex

Does the Hi have Night Mode? If yes, try switching it on and shoot with the IR filter. Might Work. I know that it works with the F717.

H1 does not have a night shot mode like F717... only have the normal night portrait modes. It is not the same as the Night Shot where you can shoot in absolute darkness...

psccy · 30th January 2007

Originally Posted by dstjahjono

Have 717 and use Hoya IR72 and CPL.

So far so good, quite satisfied but thinking to buy another ND filter.

Always take the picture in Nightshot mode as no need tripod.

Useful links for IR 717,
1. Tutorial - http://www.pbase.com/jerrykneupper/ir_tutorial&page=all
2. Color correction - http://www.pbase.com/catson/color_infrared_workflow

BTW, seems F828 is slightly better as it can take on ISO50 (cmiiw).

Saw TOMCAT's post (i hope I remember correctly), his 828 only good for macro... other shots is soft...

BTW what is CPL huh?

tim · 30th January 2007

I own a Sony F717 and only shoot IR with it. My regular "colour" photo shoots are with DSLR.

Therefore I can assure you that F717 CAN shoot IR handheld (no modification) IF you use the "night shot" mode, cover the the two emitters, use hoya 72 and ND filters. Lastly you must also know how to "photoshop" it to get the final image.

Cheers

Rashkae · 4th February 2007

Originally Posted by psccy

Hi people...

Desperately trying to find a nice camera that can shoot IR well... Have been trying out with my Sony H1 with a 72 hoya filter, but the results are never sharp and almost always very red...

This is what I get from my H1 after a little curve adjustment in PS:

psccy · 4th February 2007

Originally Posted by Rashkae

This is what I get from my H1 after a little curve adjustment in PS:

Rashkae!!!!
How did you get your H1 to shoot IR like that? Please advise!!!
What is your settings?
What you do to shoot? Do you focus without filter first?
What did you do!?!?!

Rashkae · 4th February 2007

Originally Posted by psccy

Rashkae!!!!
How did you get your H1 to shoot IR like that? Please advise!!!
What is your settings?
What you do to shoot? Do you focus without filter first?
What did you do!?!?!

This is all I did...

H1 settings:
White Balance = tungsten. Please note that you can use manual WB using a white piece of paper. Makes PP in PS a bit easier afterwards.

ISO = 100 (200 works even better)
Exposure time = 4 sec (could be 2 sec with a higher ISO)
F-stop: f/5

On a relatively bright day, with those settings, you can already see outlines of the objects in the viewfinder. I focused on an area of high contrast, in this case the building on the right. This allowed the H1 to focus lock without any problems, then I just re-composed the shot to get more of the trees in.

The output picture is VERY magenta/pink. This is ok and normal. Load the pic in PS.

I then did the following:
1. Image -> Adjustments -> Auto Color

That's it.

If the auto color uses a wrong object as it's white base, you can go to Image -> Adjustments -> Color balance and reduce the magenta before trying the auto color again.

psccy · 5th February 2007

Originally Posted by Rashkae

This is all I did...

H1 settings:
White Balance = tungsten. Please note that you can use manual WB using a white piece of paper. Makes PP in PS a bit easier afterwards.
ISO = 100 (200 works even better)
Exposure time = 4 sec (could be 2 sec with a higher ISO)
F-stop: f/5

On a relatively bright day, with those settings, you can already see outlines of the objects in the viewfinder. I focused on an area of high contrast, in this case the building on the right. This allowed the H1 to focus lock without any problems, then I just re-composed the shot to get more of the trees in.

The output picture is VERY magenta/pink. This is ok and normal. Load the pic in PS.

I then did the following:
1. Image -> Adjustments -> Auto Color

That's it.

If the auto color uses a wrong object as it's white base, you can go to Image -> Adjustments -> Color balance and reduce the magenta before trying the auto color again.

ok ok!

Will try again... see how...

eclipse · 9th February 2007

Originally Posted by psccy

Hi people...

Desperately trying to find a nice camera that can shoot IR well... Have been trying out with my Sony H1 with a 72 hoya filter, but the results are never sharp and almost always very red...

Thinking about the Sony F717... anyone shooting IR with it? Do I have to mod or can I shoot IR with a 72 hoya and get clear shots like the ones that are posted here... really envious with some of your shots here...

You can see the type I get through this thread...

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=244655

Hi psccy, I have an F717 and it works perfectly in daylight IR. You can check my website
http://www.pbase.com/eclipse1968/infrared. No need modification unless you want to use infrared manually i.e. aperture / speed settings. But i see people doing this overseas. If not, you can use Hoya72 and ND8. Cheers!!!

Actually, im pondering selling my F717

psccy · 13th February 2007

Just started to shoot some pics with a F717... Did 2 ways of PP using PS...
Comments please...

http://psccy.multiply.com/photos/photo/17/8>Lamp Post.jpg
Processed using the method explained in this forum...

http://psccy.multiply.com/photos/photo/17/22>Lamp Post (JL Workflow).jpg
Processed using Joseph Levy's method in his Pbase site...

BTW, anyone can show me how to insert a pic from multiply.com? I can on input hyperlinks so far...

Rashkae · 14th February 2007

Originally Posted by psccy

Just started to shoot some pics with a F717... Did 2 ways of PP using PS...
Comments please...

http://psccy.multiply.com/photos/photo/17/8>Lamp Post.jpg
Processed using the method explained in this forum...

http://psccy.multiply.com/photos/photo/17/22>Lamp Post (JL Workflow).jpg
Processed using Joseph Levy's method in his Pbase site...

BTW, anyone can show me how to insert a pic from multiply.com? I can on input hyperlinks so far...

Multiply requires us to log in. In this case, it requires the CS forum to log on as a user. Try using photobucket?

psccy · 14th February 2007

Did post porcessing on 2 similar photos, using different techniques... Comments please...

Processed using the method as described in sticky put up by Max 2.8...

Processed using the method as described by Joseph Levy in his Pbase website...

Which do you prefer? or none at all?

Velectron · 14th February 2007

Hi, if you are using the nightshot feature of F717, then the channel swap method may not be the best. Joseph's method might be better

psccy · 15th February 2007

Originally Posted by Velectron

Hi, if you are using the nightshot feature of F717, then the channel swap method may not be the best. Joseph's method might be better

I have encountered problems with Joseph's Methods sometimes... Too much red colour spots appears... Not sure why...

Velectron · 15th February 2007

Originally Posted by psccy

I have encountered problems with Joseph's Methods sometimes... Too much red colour spots appears... Not sure why...

reduce the saturation...his recommended values are too high in my opinion. I try to use only about +40~+45

also use only iso 100

30th January 2007	#1
psccy Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Holland Close Posts: 629	Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? Hi people... Desperately trying to find a nice camera that can shoot IR well... Have been trying out with my Sony H1 with a 72 hoya filter, but the results are never sharp and almost always very red... Thinking about the Sony F717... anyone shooting IR with it? Do I have to mod or can I shoot IR with a 72 hoya and get clear shots like the ones that are posted here... really envious with some of your shots here... You can see the type I get through this thread... http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=244655

30th January 2007	#2
vortex Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: SG / LDN Posts: 3,045	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? u a sony fan? the Sony F828 lor but abit ex...but confirm can shoot IR. same with the 717 or get a older Coolpix 990 or KM Dynax 7 and mod them __________________ My Photos on Flickr Last edited by vortex; 30th January 2007 at 12:56 PM.

30th January 2007	#3
teerex Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 4,851	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? Does the Hi have Night Mode? If yes, try switching it on and shoot with the IR filter. Might Work. I know that it works with the F717. Last edited by teerex; 30th January 2007 at 01:03 PM.

30th January 2007	#4
tomcat Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,799	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? I believe for F717 and F828, if use Night Mode without modification, must use ND filters together with IR filter for IR shooting. Otherwise the resulting images would be grossly over-exposed. __________________ Fish Pics:http://www.pbase.com/pschia/oddballs IR Pics:http://www.pbase.com/pschia/infra_red

30th January 2007	#5
psccy Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Holland Close Posts: 629	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? I did a series of shots on a sunny day... Sadly I did not include any object in the foreground... so only the trees in the background and some running track to look at... All shots not proposed... Shot with Sony H1 using Fine JPEG (best option... no TIFF or RAW) I feel that the shots with the filter on normally very noisy or blur... is that true? Which photo would you use to process in PS? Normal shot taken. f/3.5, ISO 64, exposure 1/500 sec taken with 72 Hoya, f/3.5, ISO64, exposure 5 sec, custom WB taken with 72 Hoya, f/3.5, ISO64, exposure 3 sec, custom WB taken with 72 Hoya, f/3.5, ISO64, exposure 4 sec, tungsten WB

30th January 2007	#6
dstjahjono New Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? Have 717 and use Hoya IR72 and CPL. So far so good, quite satisfied but thinking to buy another ND filter. Always take the picture in Nightshot mode as no need tripod. Useful links for IR 717, 1. Tutorial - http://www.pbase.com/jerrykneupper/ir_tutorial&page=all 2. Color correction - http://www.pbase.com/catson/color_infrared_workflow BTW, seems F828 is slightly better as it can take on ISO50 (cmiiw).

30th January 2007	#9
tim Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eastern Singapore Posts: 797	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? I own a Sony F717 and only shoot IR with it. My regular "colour" photo shoots are with DSLR. Therefore I can assure you that F717 CAN shoot IR handheld (no modification) IF you use the "night shot" mode, cover the the two emitters, use hoya 72 and ND filters. Lastly you must also know how to "photoshop" it to get the final image. Cheers Last edited by tim; 30th January 2007 at 09:13 PM. Reason: wrong wording

13th February 2007	#15
psccy Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Holland Close Posts: 629	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? Just started to shoot some pics with a F717... Did 2 ways of PP using PS... Comments please... http://psccy.multiply.com/photos/photo/17/8>Lamp Post.jpg Processed using the method explained in this forum... http://psccy.multiply.com/photos/photo/17/22>Lamp Post (JL Workflow).jpg Processed using Joseph Levy's method in his Pbase site... BTW, anyone can show me how to insert a pic from multiply.com? I can on input hyperlinks so far...

14th February 2007	#17
psccy Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Holland Close Posts: 629	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? Did post porcessing on 2 similar photos, using different techniques... Comments please... Processed using the method as described in sticky put up by Max 2.8... Processed using the method as described by Joseph Levy in his Pbase website... Which do you prefer? or none at all? Last edited by psccy; 15th February 2007 at 10:22 AM.

14th February 2007	#18
Velectron Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 322	Re: Sony F717 capable of IR without modifying? Hi, if you are using the nightshot feature of F717, then the channel swap method may not be the best. Joseph's method might be better Last edited by Velectron; 15th February 2007 at 12:01 AM.