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    Lucky everything went smoothly. Thank u guys for all ur concern and well wishes ! Really appreciate it alot !

    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO View Post
    oh btw static, i actually already read ur thread in the middle of the night when u first posted, just too tired to reply ehhe..

    anyway congrats on ur wedding, and i can feel how angry u might be. he duah u nvm, still so smuck in his replies, that's the cherry on the cake man. u are still pretty cool abt it, if me.. i dunno how man.

    well have a great day nevertheless!
    Thanks Joho. Already mentally prepared for him to pull such a stunt and since got myself a videographer I dun wish to brood over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Agree with joho. Whether it's a freelancer, or a MNC, a contract is a contract. A verbal contract is equally enforcable as one in writing. Unfortunately, a verbal contract is much more difficult to proof.

    Second chance? Why? Did anyone thought about there is no second chance to shoot the couple's wedding? What, they re-stage the whole thing for the idiiot to shoot in a latter date?

    A contract is a contract. What really irks me is, if all said is true, why is the freelancer's name/nick not posted? What is the TS afraid of?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    I agree totally.

    Maybe the TS is a humble type of person that does not want for commotion .....

    But with that said, why post it in the first place and start a witch hunt for the freelancer
    It's quite obvious liao. Thanks DP for popping by !

    Quote Originally Posted by aaron80 View Post
    Really sorry to hear about this.. There are some ppl out there who dun really care a hoot about professionalism and just want to earn some quick bucks. Sad but true.. Anyway just treat this as a bad experience but dun let this affect your mood for your upcoming big day.. Maybe this David will have his retribution in the future. During his wedding, the photographer and videographer put him aeroplane, that will serve him right..

    Wishing u bliss and happiness for your wedding
    Thank you aaron !

    Quote Originally Posted by sgvideoman View Post
    I have shot a Malay Wedding and a Christian Wedding. The Malay Wedding was shot using a consumer camcorder since the couples were on budget.

    The Christian wedding was very recent, about 12 days ago. I think I did not do very well for this wedding, at least for the church session. Most of the church video was under-exposed and I spent a considerable amount of time adjusting brightness and contrast. Then I realized that Adobe Premiere Pro tryout version cannot generate dvd structures, a limitation in the trial version. So now I am just starting to do the video editing with Sony Vegas 7.0d trial version. I don't think there is a limitation on creating dvd structures in the trial version. But first I have to learn Vegas first, quickly. Basically I am now a little behind time with my production workflow.

    Fortunately for me, the wedding dinner was shot better than the morning church, in terms of color and brightness and contrast. However, some of the things happen too quickly and I don't have enough time to respond. And because photography has higher priority (or weightage) than videography in that specific wedding, my video camera was blocked by the photographer on a few instances.

    Having learnt my lesson, I will set the professional video camera on Auto Iris in future with fast moving events. I think that I spent too much time adjusting the aperture dial and looking too intently on the LCD screen that I did not focus my attention on the actual wedding.

    After reviewing a few videos shot with professional video cam, I realized that I have a tendency to over-expose. After reading some theory, it is recommended to under-expose than over-expose, as white washing will result in loss of details and no amount of editing can recover. But with under-exposed footage, as seen in the Christian wedding, I found that I have to live with grain if I have to adjust the brightness and contrast. Using Gaussian blur to eliminate grain doesn't seem to be a good choice.

    My Ulead Videostudio 9 Academic version, bought at S$80, isn't up to the task of editing a footage shot with professional video cams. So I didn't use that. Its more for making home videos.
    Hehe sorri, no ill intentions.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi2 View Post
    I'm sorry to hear your experience Static. So you will end up with no videographer?

    That's the problem with Singapore. I think videography, and I can especially say photography, is not quite a respected art/profession over here. I guess there are many cheap labors going around. Well, given that this NSF young man that you found is not from a proper source, and far from being a professional, you have to also accept the big risks involved. It does pay to prepare way in advance all the nitti-gritties involved in a marriage. It pains me to hear you even quarrelled with your gf on this. The guy probably can't even be borthered that you are upset. Afterall, he is young and there is no contract/credibility involved. He will just move on.

    OT a bit... Sometimes I think it is so ironic. Singapore is now an affluent place where we have the $$$ and top-notch technology. But there are many practices, habits and culture of ours which are like that of 3rd world countries, or even worse. Professionalism only comes in the traditional jobs like if you are a lawyer, medical doctor, etc. There are so many egs I can give but here's one. My friend in the US told me being a tuition teacher like how we do here is illegal! Have you guys thot abt it... Who controls the qualifications of all these so called "private educators"? MOE definitely accepts no responsibilities. Knowing that the person has scored A's in his/her exam is not sufficient. Can they teach? Do they keep up to date with the latest school syllabus? What if they teach the kids the wrong stuffs? Who's responsible?

    Coming back, it's about time Singapore should be more professional in many areas. Wedding photography eg. U don't go around messing up someone's big day and feel nothing! But I seriously doubt this will ever happen any time soon.

    I hope you find a way out Static. Ultimately happiness is more important than the videoman if u can't find one in time. Wish you and your love wedding bliss!
    Thank u !


    Quote Originally Posted by harrynkl View Post
    bro, y didn't call me at least i can shoot 5fps using my cam n do a video clip for u
    Thanks Harry, but u so expensive, and if u dun charge me i feel paiseh.. Btw, u met my wife at kallang stadium b4 rite ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Lim View Post
    Congrats to you Static Bro. With much regrets to hear about ur misfortune. I sincerely hope things will work out for you on ur big day. I'd daringly say this " i feel that young kids who have "made films" these days are too big for their own shoes" And thus result in things like that happening. But anyways, Many Many happy years ahead for you bro.
    Thanks Chris ! Looking forward to shoot wif u again !

    Quote Originally Posted by sgvideoman View Post
    Congrats to Static on his marriage too.
    Thank u !

    Quote Originally Posted by whereami View Post
    To Static,

    Just throw it all out of the window, don't let it affect you. You got a wonderful girl waiting for you & the big day is coming. Even if no photographer or videographer, you got each other & that's the most wonderful thing

    Congrats & enjoy!

    Regards
    Thank u !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    to Static, end of the day... you are not shooting a movie or a commercial. If you can engage professionals to do it then by all means, if you can't, dont fret. Pass a camera to a techno savy relative or friend and ask for help. After that edit yourself.

    End of the day... you are getting married.... that is piority no 1. You are not making a video for sale so dont worry so much about the video....
    Thanks CenturyEgg.
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    still talk here... go make yourself busy...

    honeymoon liao beh?
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    Sign~ Being a Full-Time Wedding Videographer for 4 years, I have always come across couples trying to squeeze videographers for a lower budget because they alway felt that video is second fiddle/supplement compared to Photography and that they busted the budget on Photography. I have talk my mouth dried telling them, they are two different medium. You won't hear laughter on photo.

    Videography needs far more work pre and post production than photography, but command less respect than it's photographer counterpart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hommie View Post
    Sign~ Being a Full-Time Wedding Videographer for 4 years, I have always come across couples trying to squeeze videographers for a lower budget because they alway felt that video is second fiddle/supplement compared to Photography and that they busted the budget on Photography. I have talk my mouth dried telling them, they are two different medium. You won't hear laughter on photo.

    Videography needs far more work pre and post production than photography, but command less respect than it photographer counterpart.
    tat said, u got kena ppl ask u for free videography before?
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    Yes, by my relatives. I refused and was kenna by my mum, hahahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    still talk here... go make yourself busy...

    honeymoon liao beh?
    Finished counting Ang Bao liao mah.

    So much $$$$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Finished counting Ang Bao liao mah.

    So much $$$$$
    song bo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Finished counting Ang Bao liao mah.

    So much $$$$$
    think opening and counting ang bao money is the most enjoyable part of wedding

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo View Post
    think opening and counting ang bao money is the most enjoyable part of wedding
    the moment after the guests leaves is the saddest rite, esp next part is the banquet manager come to you with the invoice...

    joy and sadness just literally few moments away...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hommie View Post
    Sign~ Being a Full-Time Wedding Videographer for 4 years, I have always come across couples trying to squeeze videographers for a lower budget because they alway felt that video is second fiddle/supplement compared to Photography and that they busted the budget on Photography. I have talk my mouth dried telling them, they are two different medium. You won't hear laughter on photo.

    Videography needs far more work pre and post production than photography, but command less respect than it's photographer counterpart.


    Most important of all is that there is no motion on a photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Finished counting Ang Bao liao mah.

    So much $$$$$
    wa....got few thousands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    song bo?




    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo View Post
    think opening and counting ang bao money is the most enjoyable part of wedding
    Nope.. it was the most stressful part..

    I got a missing angbao too.. dunno where i misplaced it
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    Nope.. it was the most stressful part..

    I got a missing angbao too.. dunno where i misplaced it
    got receive newspaper bo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    got receive newspaper bo?
    Wahaha lucky ppl not as stingy as u.
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    Del_CtrlnoAlt
    got receive newspaper bo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Wahaha lucky ppl not as stingy as u.
    Really, I photograph for one wedding couple & they told me that they received one any pow thick,thick, happy for a second but newspaper inside. Guest must be a bankrupt

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesong View Post
    Really, I photograph for one wedding couple & they told me that they received one any pow thick,thick, happy for a second but newspaper inside. Guest must be a bankrupt


    Complain to the Official Assignee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgvideoman View Post


    Most important of all is that there is no motion on a photo.

    not true in a certain sense. i can use slow shutter speed + flash to convey motion on a static picture

    anyway, about that freelancer playing out, what i feel very important that there should be some sort of assurance against last minute back-outs and no shows. that's why there are wedding insurance to protect yourself. contractual agreements in black and white are very important too. after all, it is a big day on our lifes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mervlam View Post
    not true in a certain sense. i can use slow shutter speed + flash to convey motion on a static picture
    but that is not what I want...

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    I second DP and Joho in supporting the call to name the individual concerned - two reasons.First, it gives him pressure to reply here and give his side of the story. Second, it warns other people who he is and to avoid him (otherwise there really is no point in narrating your story here since someone else may experience Episode 2 of the L** Saga).And yes, all agreements should be put in writing. If one party breaches the terms, the other party will find enforcement and remedies easier to obtain.Last, I don't think there should be any division on Inhouse photographers/videographers and freelancers. I don't like where its going to say that freelancers are a lower class which has more risks, and inhouse people are risk free. Whilst there may be demographics or statistics showing behaviour inclining more to one group than the other, I would say that overgeneralissation is unnecessary.Perhaps more relevant considerations include the manner the supplier conducts himself, the way he does business, what level of experience he says he has, and how that can be verified etc etc, rather than the simple class differentiation of inhouse vs freelancer.
    Edit: There's something wrong with the formatting of the post on this computer - I'll correct it later.
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    well... just a quick search and some reading can easily see who it is

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