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    Default Pentax K10D REVIEW at Dpreview

    Wasn't expecting it so soon after K100D review.

    Gets Highly Recommended (just) due to soft edges in JPEG.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/
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    dissappointing SR performance again compared to the sony A100. I was wondering if the K100 SR review was "unlucky" but it seems that the K10D SR test shows not much improvement again compared to the A100.

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    Default Re: Pentax K10D REVIEW at Dpreview

    Quote Originally Posted by CY_OH View Post
    Wasn't expecting it so soon after K100D review.

    Gets Highly Recommended (just) due to soft edges in JPEG.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/
    Actually this review(preview) has been done quite some time ago... way before the camera reached SG...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cire07 View Post
    Actually this review(preview) has been done quite some time ago... way before the camera reached SG...
    This is the after release review not the hands-on review.

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    Ah i see... Thanks!

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    No mention of banding issues at ISO1600... a good thing?

    Althought the jpeg's dynamic range is indeed disappointing (in Phil's case?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wind30 View Post
    dissappointing SR performance again compared to the sony A100. I was wondering if the K100 SR review was "unlucky" but it seems that the K10D SR test shows not much improvement again compared to the A100.
    Check this out...

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...hread=21290915

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    I was at MS at Marina Sq last nite, and had played with K10D for a while.. I must say its a lovely camera, not very heavy, and the sound of the focus and the clicking of the exposure was certainly much better than DS.. Praying hard for some fortunes to comes in.. and I will certainly grab one.. I think, JPEG isn't an issue as I normally take in RAW, so.. Gotto see if there is any firmware updates soon... anyway, other than Fengwei and CYOH, anyone into the K10D fever??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post

    Althought the jpeg's dynamic range is indeed disappointing (in Phil's case?)

    One thing we should keep in mind though, the *** jpg setting yields about 2.5-2.7mb jpg file on the K10D, which means the camera has done too much to compress the jpg file, which might cause the loss of detail and sharpness in the testing results.

    The three jpg files compared at DPReview:

    K10D(10mp sensor): 2.6MB
    30D (8.2mp sensor): 2.8MB
    D80 (10mp sensor): 3.7MB

    D80 has the same sensor as our K10D, but its jpg file is 3.7M while the K10D's jpg file is only 2.6M! That's the difference here.

    So my suggestion is: shoot RAW as much as you can, and learn something about your RAW converter, then you'd be able to get the best results out of this great camera

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_istDS View Post
    I was at MS at Marina Sq last nite, and had played with K10D for a while.. I must say its a lovely camera, not very heavy, and the sound of the focus and the clicking of the exposure was certainly much better than DS.. Praying hard for some fortunes to comes in.. and I will certainly grab one.. I think, JPEG isn't an issue as I normally take in RAW, so.. Gotto see if there is any firmware updates soon... anyway, other than Fengwei and CYOH, anyone into the K10D fever??
    I know you'd get one someday, trust me on this

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    odd....the photo size from my K100D can range from 1.8MB to 3.7MB (all at max resolution setting not RAW).

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    Quote Originally Posted by airconvent View Post
    odd....the photo size from my K100D can range from 1.8MB to 3.7MB (all at max resolution setting not RAW).
    JPG is a compressed file format. Its size varies depends on scene or subjects in the photo. I do feel that my previous Ds (a 6mp camera) had larger JPG file size than this K10D (10mp). I think Pentax should do something w/ the K10D so it can generate better JPG output. We all know its RAW output is great, one of the best comparing w/ all the other 10mp cameras.

    Of course if you shoot in RAW, it's not a bid deal. And K10D's RAW (PEF) file is almost the same size as the DS' PEF file

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengwei View Post
    One thing we should keep in mind though, the *** jpg setting yields about 2.5-2.7mb jpg file on the K10D, which means the camera has done too much to compress the jpg file, which might cause the loss of detail and sharpness in the testing results.

    The three jpg files compared at DPReview:

    K10D(10mp sensor): 2.6MB
    30D (8.2mp sensor): 2.8MB
    D80 (10mp sensor): 3.7MB

    D80 has the same sensor as our K10D, but its jpg file is 3.7M while the K10D's jpg file is only 2.6M! That's the difference here.

    So my suggestion is: shoot RAW as much as you can, and learn something about your RAW converter, then you'd be able to get the best results out of this great camera
    I agree with you. Maybe JPG was compressed too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyespeek View Post
    I agree with you. Maybe JPG was compressed too much.
    At lease Phil himself also admitted that K10D's RAW outputs are superior to those from Nikon D80 and Canon 30D Some guy even compared K10D's RAW quality to Nikon D200 (which is alot more expensive than K10D), and they are quite comparable (and the results were all from Phil's own testing samples):

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=21295761
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=21295761
    Last edited by fengwei; 17th December 2006 at 04:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengwei View Post
    So my suggestion is: shoot RAW as much as you can, and learn something about your RAW converter, then you'd be able to get the best results out of this great camera
    Actually, if you are a busy man like me who works as a graphic designer, you would want your pictures to be right on target straight from the camera. Having still to do some converting & post-processing for the RAW images after you take the pictures will cost you some productive time. Imagine, having to layout hundreds of images for a magazine!!? IMO, Pentax should release a firmware fix for the soft jpegs issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by look4raymond View Post
    Actually, if you are a busy man like me who works as a graphic designer, you would want your pictures to be right on target straight from the camera. Having still to do some converting & post-processing for the RAW images after you take the pictures will cost you some productive time. Imagine, having to layout hundreds of images for a magazine!!? IMO, Pentax should release a firmware fix for the soft jpegs issue.
    I have to agree on that. I myself also lazy to shoot in RAW.
    I still prefer to shoot JPG, even though I know it is going to lose in quality.
    Maybe for some photos will shoot in RAW, but definitely not for fashion and events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengwei View Post
    One thing we should keep in mind though, the *** jpg setting yields about 2.5-2.7mb jpg file on the K10D, which means the camera has done too much to compress the jpg file, which might cause the loss of detail and sharpness in the testing results.

    The three jpg files compared at DPReview:

    K10D(10mp sensor): 2.6MB
    30D (8.2mp sensor): 2.8MB
    D80 (10mp sensor): 3.7MB

    D80 has the same sensor as our K10D, but its jpg file is 3.7M while the K10D's jpg file is only 2.6M! That's the difference here.

    So my suggestion is: shoot RAW as much as you can, and learn something about your RAW converter, then you'd be able to get the best results out of this great camera
    Hi FengWei,

    what software do you use to process your pictures?
    I have not done anything with RAW files before and would like to learn.
    BTW, do you work at NUS?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Pentax K10D REVIEW at Dpreview

    I wonder how dpreview grade the Highly Recommeded band. If you sum up the ratings, Sony A-100 got 50 and gets a Highly Recommeded, but K10D got 52 and is Highly Recommeded(just). D80 has 53, only 1 point higher.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/page25.asp
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/page30.asp
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/page29.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengwei View Post
    I know you'd get one someday, trust me on this
    Hahaha.. reading all the reviews and feedbacks in the forums definitely making me very tempted to attempt to buy the camera.. maybe even using Installment!!! But I told myself to hold it till sometime later, anyway, my DS is doing just fine for me now.. plus... haven't really got much time to go out there to take photos these days.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycelim View Post
    I wonder how dpreview grade the Highly Recommeded band. If you sum up the ratings, Sony A-100 got 50 and gets a Highly Recommeded, but K10D got 52 and is Highly Recommeded(just). D80 has 53, only 1 point higher.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk10d/page25.asp
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/page30.asp
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond80/page29.asp
    Well, maybe they got paid to get HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.. hahaha... maybe not.. but there some guage i think, values of cameras verses the points...

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