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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    I dunno about your kind of Buddhist, but isn't it good karma to be happy for others? doesn't mean they are celebrating maybe they are just happy for their friends who are celebrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    It depends how often it rains in Singapore.
    Its a miracle to see the sun at around this time. Raining almost every damned day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Someone had forgotten that religion's not an 'exclusive' thing (including the festivities).
    U give karma, I give karma, end of the day can write sutra...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasongcp View Post
    I'm a devoted buddhist, yet I do celebrate Xmas... and I am not ashamed to say I love Xmas because after so many years of evolution... it is no longer just a festival "owned" by christian.... not about Jesus solely.. but it demonstrates a festive season of sharing.....
    Thats just how our sad corporate world twist things as you've said, into a sharing aka'shopping' fest. It is still a religious festival but just like how 'Christ'mas becomes 'X'mas.

    Since you're a devoted buddhist, may we know what does your abbot think abt your loving this festival of sharing?Just curious.

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    Default Re: Is it ok to give umbrellas as X"mas present?

    Nothing wrong with it especially for corporate gifts.

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    Default Re: Is it ok to give umbrellas as X"mas present?

    Kex, if u watch chinese movies, especially those chinese ghost movies, u would know that umbrella has some "negative" meanings.

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    Is it not because in mandarin ,the pronouncation for umbrella'Sang' sounds like 'to part'..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by posn75 View Post
    Think you still living in the stone ages ....
    That doesn't mean I'm wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    I dunno about your kind of Buddhist, but isn't it good karma to be happy for others? doesn't mean they are celebrating maybe they are just happy for their friends who are celebrating.

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    What do you mean by my kind?

    I'm a Christian, and I see people who are not associated with anything Christian celebrating Christmas blindly...

    In fact, anyone is welcomed to celebrate, just that like I mentioned before, if you don't mind that it's actually a Christian thing...some people just want to make money, and some just want to spend some without realizing the reason of the celebration of Christmas.

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    Alamak cool it lah... whether or not christian, buddhist, whatever if the person want to celebrate christmas then let them be. After all is Christmas not supposed to be a time of sharing and joy? I remember the carol "Joy be to the world??" So now it has become if you not devoted christian, you have no right to celebrate? Sound so much like some radicals from our neighbour in the north who tell their fellowman that they should not go to Chinese New Year celebrations as it is against Islam.

    Anyway back to the topic of Umbrellas, I think Chinese old people find it taboo. Especially those chinese looking ones. In certain rituals, the spirit is supposed to reside in the umbrella hence it is an object of the afterlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    Alamak cool it lah... whether or not christian, buddhist, whatever if the person want to celebrate christmas then let them be. After all is Christmas not supposed to be a time of sharing and joy? I remember the carol "Joy be to the world??" So now it has become if you not devoted christian, you have no right to celebrate? Sound so much like some radicals from our neighbour in the north who tell their fellowman that they should not go to Chinese New Year celebrations as it is against Islam.

    Anyway back to the topic of Umbrellas, I think Chinese old people find it taboo. Especially those chinese looking ones. In certain rituals, the spirit is supposed to reside in the umbrella hence it is an object of the afterlife.
    ya... i'd like to teach the world to sing... in perfect harmony...


    anyway, to chinese, give umbrella = tell them to split... give clock = tell them to die...
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    Quote Originally Posted by photographique View Post
    I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

    However, I see no point of people celebriting if they are not Christians. They means if you are a Buddist, then you are insulting your own religion, but anyone is welcomed to join everyone else in Christmas, if you don't mind the fact that it's a Christian festival.

    Enough said.
    why would celebrating Christmas be insulting to Buddhism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestone View Post
    Thats just how our sad corporate world twist things as you've said, into a sharing aka'shopping' fest. It is still a religious festival but just like how 'Christ'mas becomes 'X'mas.

    Since you're a devoted buddhist, may we know what does your abbot think abt your loving this festival of sharing?Just curious.
    buddhist isn't about who think and who say about you.. it's about your own cultivation of way.. forums don't talk so much about religion.... I do respect all religions.. if you want we can meet over kopi... you talk about yours I talk about mine... HAHA..

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    ...I remember the carol "Joy to the world??"
    LOL,this is funny, u left out the 2nd phrase,"Joy to the world, the LORD is come.."

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    Quote Originally Posted by photographique View Post
    That doesn't mean I'm wrong...



    What do you mean by my kind?

    I'm a Christian, and I see people who are not associated with anything Christian celebrating Christmas blindly...

    In fact, anyone is welcomed to celebrate, just that like I mentioned before, if you don't mind that it's actually a Christian thing...some people just want to make money, and some just want to spend some without realizing the reason of the celebration of Christmas.

    com'on dude.. why you bother so much with what other do on christmas? Just take care of yourself and be TRUE to your god.... Like Chinese New Year, doesn't mean you have to be chinese to soak in the festival joy right? It's a festival... lighten up....

    My personal opinion is that it doesn't really mean bad if a festival get too commercialise... in the first place if it is not... who knows we might not even know it exist in the first place... so chill out... have a log cake... and wait for special delivery from Santa... LOL..... now where is my stinking sock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestone View Post
    Since you're a devoted buddhist, may we know what does your abbot think abt your loving this festival of sharing?Just curious.
    Buddhism is not a religion in essence, and in the West, there are Christians and Catholics who practise the ways of Buddhism. for example http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/01/dec/9/06.html

    also, one of my tutor in NUS is a British and a Catholic who lived in Sri Lanka half his life. he understands and appreciates Buddhist art and culture.

    i think we should stop propagating wrong knowledge about religions, don't you think so? especially in a Singapore based forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasongcp View Post
    com'on dude.. why you bother so much with what other do on christmas? Just take care of yourself and be TRUE to your god.... Like Chinese New Year, doesn't mean you have to be chinese to soak in the festival joy right? It's a festival... lighten up....

    My personal opinion is that it doesn't really mean bad if a festival get too commercialise... in the first place if it is not... who knows we might not even know it exist in the first place... so chill out... have a log cake... and wait for special delivery from Santa... LOL..... now where is my stinking sock?
    better still... Christmas is a time for giving & sharing rite...

    So u non-christians... better still... ppl give u take, ppl share u receive... nobody ask u to give them back mah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    better still... Christmas is a time for giving & sharing rite...

    So u non-christians... better still... ppl give u take, ppl share u receive... nobody ask u to give them back mah...

    er.... that's not really morally correct right?

    But TS. I think a couple of them have mentioned... Umbrella in chinese has this similar pronounciation as "part" so check with your friends are her clientele usually Elder chinese biz man... they are quite Mi Xin one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasongcp View Post
    er.... that's not really morally correct right?

    But TS. I think a couple of them have mentioned... Umbrella in chinese has this similar pronounciation as "part" so check with your friends are her clientele usually Elder chinese biz man... they are quite Mi Xin one...
    no ar... they did insist u take, no bad feelings wat... its not like u steal or something...

    anyway, give wat u can, take what u need...
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    Sometimes I think we take things way too seriously.

    We squabble about whether other non believers should celebrate our festivals, we squabble about whether we should participate in the celebrations of another race and culture. We keep using religion as an shield saying that we must be loyal to our faith that we must this must that.... Sigh sometimes makes me wonder if our brains have melted and we are just blindly following text in "holy" books and "God inspired". By the way Buddhism is not a religion and it is a way of life. Buddha himself said this "Do not worship me for I am no a God" That is why even those who pray to Buddha Statues in temples in hope of their wishes granted are doing so blindly. The statutes are a reminder of the faith and not a object of worship but of course humans being humans, we just love to worship something.

    Hence no abbot will go question you about celebrating Xmas. Because there is no conflict with Buddhism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    Sometimes I think we take things way too seriously.

    We squabble about whether other non believers should celebrate our festivals, we squabble about whether we should participate in the celebrations of another race and culture. We keep using religion as an shield saying that we must be loyal to our faith that we must this must that.... Sigh sometimes makes me wonder if our brains have melted and we are just blindly following text in "holy" books and "God inspired". By the way Buddhism is not a religion and it is a way of life. Buddha himself said this "Do not worship me for I am no a God" That is why even those who pray to Buddha Statues in temples in hope of their wishes granted are doing so blindly. The statutes are a reminder of the faith and not a object of worship but of course humans being humans, we just love to worship something.

    Hence no abbot will go question you about celebrating Xmas. Because there is no conflict with Buddhism.


    totally agree

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