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    Quote Originally Posted by furrycake View Post
    oh gee.. the staffs at True Yoga are truly messed up. most importantly how's your mom's condition now ? better take care of her 1st.

    as far as i know, so long the person who signs the contract is mentally unsound or taken with serious illness, the contract is considered void. if they want to take legal action(s), would have taken long ago. the very 1st step is always Letter of Demand and followed by either Writ of Summons or Writ of Distress.

    if you want , write to the CEO of True Yoga about the situation and states clearly in the event that you would hold them responsible should anything happen to your mom knowing your mom's condition. dont fret, get supporting documents from your doctor and slammed True Yoga. ask them 'nicely' how they gonna handle a customer who apparently isnt mentally sound and is the contract even valid in the 1st place ? to hell with them, stay cool.

    IIRC Before Letter of Demand, is a reminder letter for 14 days follow by FINAL reminder letter another 14 days, then Letter of Demand another 21 days then another 30 days to Small Cliam Tribunal (if amount is less then $10k) After the 30 days followed by Writ of Sizeure within 3 days of order! Then they will call for Auction of Properties they size within the next 21 days or so! Will not reached Writ of Distress.

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    What kind of staff does whathef*** yoga hire? Russian mafia? Reminds me of those time share coys.
    Definitely should write to forum page at least for fun and laughter. Make them wake up their freaking minds.
    To think that I nearly go and work or them , lucky never go for the interview, phew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    IIRC Before Letter of Demand, is a reminder letter for 14 days follow by FINAL reminder letter another 14 days, then Letter of Demand another 21 days then another 30 days to Small Cliam Tribunal (if amount is less then $10k) After the 30 days followed by Writ of Sizeure within 3 days of order! Then they will call for Auction of Properties they size within the next 21 days or so! Will not reached Writ of Distress.
    sorry .. Writ of Distress is when renting properties... got mixed up. anyway this co wont get that far, Court sure throw out case lah! kns.. anyway the reminder letters you talked about are usually in-house ones... so far this stupid Yoga company hasnt issued any formal letters 'cept by means of telephone calls right ? heck care them lah.
    爱是要时间慢慢培养的。。

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    This may an opportunity in disguise.

    Gather all the facts, report to the police, go to every one of the press, and BLOG it.

    Create a ruckus. I am sure they will contact you to settle, then YOU demand compensation for medical/transport fees to the hospital, "whatever" expenses you have receipts on your mother, .. remember that your mom is the victim since you have shown good faith by responding to them nicely.

    If they are stupid enough to call you/mom regularly, apply thru the court for a injunction against them to cease and desist. If you are unsuccessful, write to his father and cc copies to the police, MPs, & press. If the son don't want face, I am sure the father still wants his.

    I do not think you will need to do all these, but knowing the options helps! Sometimes it does not matter whether you or they are right, only public opinion/awareness matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furrycake View Post
    sorry .. Writ of Distress is when renting properties... got mixed up. anyway this co wont get that far, Court sure throw out case lah! kns.. anyway the reminder letters you talked about are usually in-house ones... so far this stupid Yoga company hasnt issued any formal letters 'cept by means of telephone calls right ? heck care them lah.

    They really behave like liscences Ab**g!

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    The father may not know what the son does nor the son his staff. Leave the father and son out for they may be innocent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caspere View Post
    This may an opportunity in disguise.

    If you are unsuccessful, write to his father and cc copies to the police, MPs, & press. If the son don't want face, I am sure the father still wants his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitan View Post
    The father may not know what the son does nor the son his staff. Leave the father and son out for they may be innocent.
    Think there are some here that did say letters or correspondence to the CEO were unanswered. Leave the father out yes as he is not involved but for the son as CEO, my goodness all the more the threadstarter should do him a favour by letting him know what his staff is up to.

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    I believe that it is not true that ALL contracts signed are NULL and VOID.

    First, I believe that the contract is not null and void, but merely voidable at the person of unsound mind's option.

    Second, an important question is whether the person of unsound mind was sufferring from such a degree of mental disability that he was incapable of understanding the nature of the contract.

    Third, the contract is onyl voidable if the mental disability is known or ought to have been knonw by the other party - the burden of proof lies on the person of unsound mind.

    Finally, the contract is binding if it was made during a lucid period, even wehrere the other party knows about the disability.

    Can I ask where you got your sources from to check if I may be wrong?


    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    Agreed! All contracts or agreement sign by a person of unsound mind or senile is consider null n void when proven medically! No need to show them medical report (oni show to judge) if they want to procceed to court, let them cos they bound to loose not oni case but $ n time!!!
    I was surprised to note that there is actually laws prescribing these strict procedures of dates (in red) that you have stated - could you share the sources with us?

    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    IIRC Before Letter of Demand, is a reminder letter for 14 days follow by FINAL reminder letter another 14 days, then Letter of Demand another 21 days then another 30 days to Small Cliam Tribunal (if amount is less then $10k) After the 30 days followed by Writ of Sizeure within 3 days of order! Then they will call for Auction of Properties they size within the next 21 days or so! Will not reached Writ of Distress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    I believe that it is not true that ALL contracts signed are NULL and VOID.

    First, I believe that the contract is not null and void, but merely voidable at the person of unsound mind's option.

    Second, an important question is whether the person of unsound mind was sufferring from such a degree of mental disability that he was incapable of understanding the nature of the contract.

    Third, the contract is onyl voidable if the mental disability is known or ought to have been knonw by the other party - the burden of proof lies on the person of unsound mind.

    Finally, the contract is binding if it was made during a lucid period, even wehrere the other party knows about the disability.

    Can I ask where you got your sources from to check if I may be wrong?




    I was surprised to note that there is actually laws prescribing these strict procedures of dates (in red) that you have stated - could you share the sources with us?
    sounds correct to me. are you a lawyer by the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    I believe that it is not true that ALL contracts signed are NULL and VOID.

    First, I believe that the contract is not null and void, but merely voidable at the person of unsound mind's option.

    Second, an important question is whether the person of unsound mind was sufferring from such a degree of mental disability that he was incapable of understanding the nature of the contract.

    Third, the contract is onyl voidable if the mental disability is known or ought to have been knonw by the other party - the burden of proof lies on the person of unsound mind.

    Finally, the contract is binding if it was made during a lucid period, even wehrere the other party knows about the disability.

    Can I ask where you got your sources from to check if I may be wrong?




    I was surprised to note that there is actually laws prescribing these strict procedures of dates (in red) that you have stated - could you share the sources with us?

    My colleauge was being told by the Judge contracts sign by the mentally unsound (or does not have a sound mind) or senile with poven medical grounds (cos they do not know what they are signing or understand what they are signing, thats why when contracts involved mentally unsound or senile a Power of Attorney got to be appointed to sign on their behalf with whatever proceeds or gain (if there is any) going to the person who is of unsoud mind or senile). We are always told that when we are dealing wif elderly it is adviseable to have a younger person (siblings or children) around to explian everything to them when signing any contracts!

    There is no hard and fast rule on the no of days to be given to the Clients it can be 14 days or 7 days or even 3 days depending how kind are you to the person u want to remind normally it is adviseable to give 14 days(adviced by my lawyer) so as to give them ample time to what ever neccessary. Same for LOD 14 days base on humantary ground! As for the Small Cliam Tribunal the court will order the Client to admit the cliam within 30days! If not the order for writ of seizure within the next working day they will go and seize the properties in the house! Then about 3-4weeks the auction will take place and on that day all it take is 10mins for everything to settle!

    All based on experience either i cliam or kena cliam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isaiahfortythirtyone View Post
    sounds correct to me. are you a lawyer by the way?
    lawyer vs lawyer .....
    always the Light, .... always.

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    Can I ask who is the Judge who told your colleague this? Did he tell your colleague that ALL contracts signed by the mentally unsound are Null and VOID (not voidable, but VOID) and that there are NO exceptions to this at all? Btw, maybe you want to bracket your setence again, I find it a little hard to read your first sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    My colleauge was being told by the Judge contracts sign by the mentally unsound (or does not have a sound mind) or senile with poven medical grounds (cos they do not know what they are signing or understand what they are signing, thats why when contracts involved mentally unsound or senile a Power of Attorney got to be appointed to sign on their behalf with whatever proceeds or gain (if there is any) going to the person who is of unsoud mind or senile). We are always told that when we are dealing wif elderly it is adviseable to have a younger person (siblings or children) around to explian everything to them when signing any contracts!

    Yea thats what I thought - its just a personal practice - your intiial statement seemed to state it as prescribed procedure - glad that its cleared up.

    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    There is no hard and fast rule on the no of days to be given to the Clients it can be 14 days or 7 days or even 3 days depending how kind are you to the person u want to remind normally it is adviseable to give 14 days(adviced by my lawyer) so as to give them ample time to what ever neccessary. Same for LOD 14 days base on humantary ground! As for the Small Cliam Tribunal the court will order the Client to admit the cliam within 30days! If not the order for writ of seizure within the next working day they will go and seize the properties in the house! Then about 3-4weeks the auction will take place and on that day all it take is 10mins for everything to settle!

    All based on experience either i cliam or kena cliam
    Heh, so you got sued by a person of unsound mind? :P

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    Reminds of a certain photog studio which lives up to it's name and produces not-good works.
    Also some mlms using this hard sell.

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    I think that whether anyone is a lawyer, or judge, or simply a lay person is not important. I could be the Chief Justice and you could be the Attorney General. Or I could be an ordinary person and you a Senior Counsel - however, I may be right and you may be wrong notwithstanding your qualifications. I could also be wrong and you be right.

    At the end of the day, what is important is that the discussions will bring the correct (hopefully) version at the end of the day, and to avoid having the CS-ers going away with a wrong impression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised View Post
    lawyer vs lawyer .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Can I ask who is the Judge who told your colleague this? Did he tell your colleague that ALL contracts signed by the mentally unsound are Null and VOID (not voidable, but VOID) and that there are NO exceptions to this at all? Btw, maybe you want to bracket your setence again, I find it a little hard to read your first sentence.

    Sorry! my mistake i just clarify wif my colleauge it CAN be consider null n void!


    Yea thats what I thought - its just a personal practice - your intiial statement seemed to state it as prescribed procedure - glad that its cleared up.



    Heh, so you got sued by a person of unsound mind? :P
    Nah... dun have the chance to be sued by one oni cliam my client, help my client to cliam n SCT .... then kena cliam (cause n effect)

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    Dear Third Sunday,

    Hope your mom is coping fine. Meanwhile, advise her to avoid answering unkown phone call shown on caller id. She does not deserve this while i understand it is being Chinese that one does not like such publicity. Everyone is proud of their mom, and you should, too, and it is good to protect her from such commercial scum and lowlife cheat tactics.

    She does not deserve the torture from a suppossed esteem establishment by the Wee family. (Oh, well, another wee wee thread). Patric, whatever you are, i hope you are reading this thread!

    Perhaps Tru yoja business model resembles those branded beauty salons. They believe in mass recruitment and they do not hessitate to sue since they are backed by expensive lawyers. If they need a hundred k to play a lawsuit, they will do it for the face sake, even when they dont win a dime. This way, the send out a stern warning to people who signed the contract, be it their own staff or their victim clients.

    A resolution is perhaps for you to ask your MP to send a note to this company. Then you send them an official letter to compliment the MP's note. State also that you would like to seek medical claims & specialists consultation fees for their abusive treatment to a defenseless lady. Do not ask for anything less than $20,000 since they jolly well can afford it. But write carefully and do not make this look like a blackmail. Best get an affordable law firm to write the letter of demand.

    I can tell you they wont have the nuts to blow this matter up as it will do them bad publicity.

    Oh, i love to deal with such firms. I usually bring them down on thier knees to beg for pardon!

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    Just sharing my experience.

    In SCT, prior to appearing before the referee, it is mandatory to go thru mediation sessions. Only if mediation fails that both parties have to appear before the referee, where he/she will preside over the case.

    During the mediation, True Yoga will counter offer to change the to be transferrable so that you can sell it away or change it to True Spa.

    And they are bending the T&C SPECIALLY for you only!!

    In anyway, it's die die you will have to pay.

    The fact that it's the debt collection agency who is harassing your mum has little to do with True Yoga. Those thugs don't operate under the same roof of True Yoga... or do they?

    Heard they have expanded their admin and operation office.

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