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    Quote Originally Posted by Klose View Post
    I cant wait for the next NDP and the Padang with the drive pass
    Have to wait a few years later, should be 2010. Mobile column normally happens once every 5 years. The last one was 2005. I did the 2000 one during NSF days and its normally organised by 3 Div.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy View Post
    you got to be kidding, now the place is so nice liao. like that all the old camps will sure to make you weep
    Everything seems to be improved in SAF... Better food, welfare, even training oso better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by afbug View Post
    Have to wait a few years later, should be 2010. Mobile column normally happens once every 5 years. The last one was 2005. I did the 2000 one during NSF days and its normally organised by 3 Div.
    Might be faster than 2010... The year with the official intro of the new tank would be the year with Mobile Column for NDP liao...

    Garment must haolian abit and boost national pride also...

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    that's one of the characteristics that we're not. everything that is shown on NDP is there for a reason, same goes to those that aren't shown. If it weren't second hand german army tanks, we may well choose not to annouce this purchase even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbesyeo View Post
    One Asean country bought MIG fighters. Powerful fighter that were touted to be equal to the F16 but the last i heard, several of them are not air worthy any more due to the lack of spare parts. They even cannibalize a couple of them for spares, so that they could fly them at their national day parade.
    Yah, remember last time when Iran was still under the Shah and still ar kah liao with US, they bought F-14s (the only other country to operate the F-14), now I think maybe all rusty oredi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy View Post
    that's one of the characteristics that we're not. everything that is shown on NDP is there for a reason, same goes to those that aren't shown. If it weren't second hand german army tanks, we may well choose not to annouce this purchase even.
    When the Apaches come into S'pore this year, immediately we have them for show during NDP...

    If you have read MM Lee's memoirs, they have a mobile column when the bought the AMX Tank to show off/warn our neighbours...

    We always have a history of showing off what we announce when we get it... The moment the new F-15SG comes... Same thing also... NDP fly past would show them to haolian also too...

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    Our NDP both marching contingent and mobile column not impressive enuff.
    Look at those Soviet one, I think their one contingent more than all our guard-of-honour, some more high kick stylo. Their missiles and tanks also quite impressive, the whole thing designed to show off their power one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wowee View Post
    If you have read MM Lee's memoirs, they have a mobile column when the bought the AMX Tank to show off/warn our neighbours...
    that's what I'm trying to say, things are shown for a reason (e.g. "don't f*** with me") and not just to "I have you don't have".

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    Quote Originally Posted by arpinkor View Post
    Our NDP both marching contingent and mobile column not impressive enuff.
    Look at those Soviet one, I think their one contingent more than all our guard-of-honour, some more high kick stylo. Their missiles and tanks also quite impressive, the whole thing designed to show off their power one.
    don't any how suggest hor. wait next year they introduce goose step all the marching contingent will come and you

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy View Post
    don't any how suggest hor. wait next year they introduce goose step all the marching contingent will come and you
    Not my problem liao, I now no more with SAF. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy View Post
    that's what I'm trying to say, things are shown for a reason (e.g. "don't f*** with me") and not just to "I have you don't have".
    During the early days we need to warn them by showing what we have because we are underestimated...

    Now do we still need the mobile column to "warn" our neighbours? More of a PR exercise and to haolian if you ask me...

    They know, we know what everyone of us have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwchoy View Post
    don't any how suggest hor. wait next year they introduce goose step all the marching contingent will come and you
    Yeah!!! Don't anyhow suggest ar...

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    Quote Originally Posted by arpinkor View Post
    Not my problem liao, I now no more with SAF. haha.
    they still know where to find you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wowee View Post
    During the early days we need to warn them by showing what we have because we are underestimated...

    Now do we still need the mobile column to "warn" our neighbours? More of a PR exercise and to haolian if you ask me...

    They know, we know what everyone of us have...
    I think besides showing off to our friendly neighbours, we also want to show off to our own people, otherwise they think we just little red dot, cannot fight one. Must give some confidence to our citizens also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arpinkor View Post
    Yah, remember last time when Iran was still under the Shah and still ar kah liao with US, they bought F-14s (the only other country to operate the F-14), now I think maybe all rusty oredi.
    And its the only country to have AIM-54 Phoenix Missiles.

    Not much is known what happened to the Tomcats after the Shah was toppled but it may be possible that the hardliners had possibly reversed engineered the missiles and radar technology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpinkor View Post
    I think besides showing off to our friendly neighbours, we also want to show off to our own people, otherwise they think we just little red dot, cannot fight one. Must give some confidence to our citizens also.
    Yeah... Boost national pride and pride in SAF also... So people more willing and understanding when they need to send their sons to serve in army...

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    And its the only country to have AIM-54 Phoenix Missiles.

    Not much is known what happened to the Tomcats after the Shah was toppled but it may be possible that the hardliners had possibly reversed engineered the missiles and radar technology.
    That's why I mentioned in an earlier post that they don't sell you their goodies one. Sell you those not so good one, especially when it comes to electronic counter-measure (ECM) stuff. If you compare carefully old and new planes, you can see different antenna blades on the wings/tails/fuselage. They constantly upgrade while the export sets, depend on kum cheng, even Japan good friend of US, I doubt they have the latest and greatest stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arpinkor View Post
    That's why I mentioned in an earlier post that they don't sell you their goodies one. Sell you those not so good one, especially when it comes to electronic counter-measure (ECM) stuff. If you compare carefully old and new planes, you can see different antenna blades on the wings/tails/fuselage. They constantly upgrade while the export sets, depend on kum cheng, even Japan good friend of US, I doubt they have the latest and greatest stuff.
    Sometimes depends if you are willing to share the R&D $$... From what I know, they are willing to sell to selected friends but must pay through the nose for those exclusive technology... Even Israel decide to boost their own R&D sector than pay the amount they are asking for...

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    http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publ...ny11009422.php

    read para 5 under Fact Sheet. I don't know whether to laugh loudly or to loud hysterically

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    Our neighbours don't need to spend too much time/effort/money to recce us lah, just read Jane's can oredi

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