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    Quote Originally Posted by DXNMedia View Post
    Tell him that you got another real paying wedding event to shoot for on that same day!
    And see if he's willing to pay a better rate?

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    "Gf's bro wanted my free service."

    If your service is free, then what is the problem?
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    Default Re: Gf's bro wanted my free service.

    Pay peanut get monkey. You shall teach him a lesson. A wedding held in Malaysia? Easy then. Follow my step and maybe you can even enjoy his dinner

    step 1
    Discharge your battery till it can last for say 100 shots.

    step 2
    Do not include the charger in your luaggage.

    Last step
    Just grap a pns camera and shoot. He will still consider you as a pro so eventually will still let you shoot for him.

    He still get his pictures end of the day but pns quality.

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    Maybe he wanted is paid service. But the brother wanted free. So the title loor.
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    Default Re: Gf's bro wanted my free service.

    Quote Originally Posted by blurrblurr View Post
    Pay peanut get monkey. You shall teach him a lesson. A wedding held in Malaysia? Easy then. Follow my step and maybe you can even enjoy his dinner

    step 1
    Discharge your battery till it can last for say 100 shots.

    step 2
    Do not include the charger in your luaggage.

    Last step
    Just grap a pns camera and shoot. He will still consider you as a pro so eventually will still let you shoot for him.

    He still get his pictures end of the day but pns quality.
    That's very evil...

    How abt just removing the mirror and say! "Oh SHIAT! CAMERA DOWN!"
    Use PnS all the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Ang View Post
    Maybe he wanted is paid service. But the brother wanted free. So the title loor.
    then title should be :

    Gf's bro wanted my chargeable service for free .....
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    money aside, gf aside, other future potential relations aside, here's why you should NOT shoot this particular wedding.

    you (more or less) hate the fella.... (sorree i can use less harsh words, but for the sake of this argument i just use this word ok, dun mind!! ahhaha)

    can u imagine getting a photog that hates you to shoot ur wedding? man.. that's absurd. there is not only no connection, but the WRONG connection between subject and photographer.

    ur images are going to SUCK. trust me on this.

    so watever u do, lie, excuse, outright truth, lose potential wife blah blah, do NOT shoot this wedding. unless of course, u really wanna sabo him.

    ok sorry for the over-exergerration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO View Post
    money aside, gf aside, other future potential relations aside, here's why you should NOT shoot this particular wedding.

    you (more or less) hate the fella.... (sorree i can use less harsh words, but for the sake of this argument i just use this word ok, dun mind!! ahhaha)

    can u imagine getting a photog that hates you to shoot ur wedding? man.. that's absurd. there is not only no connection, but the WRONG connection between subject and photographer.

    ur images are going to SUCK. trust me on this.

    so watever u do, lie, excuse, outright truth, lose potential wife blah blah, do NOT shoot this wedding. unless of course, u really wanna sabo him.

    ok sorry for the over-exergerration...
    finally, someone talking sense
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    Firstly, I suggest that you be honest to yourself and decide if you want to cover this AD paid or not.

    If you are just concerned about payment, then I suggest that you forget it and look at the bigger picture. Take on the shoot, but make sure that the couple SIGN a triplicate disclaimer that 1) you would not be held responsible should your equipment fails during the shoot, 2) you would also not be held responsible if the pics does not turn out the way it's expected and this is portfolio building shoot only. This gives you lee way on experimenting and build your style. 3) Their pics may be floated on the net like CS forums for critiques, comments and improvements.

    If they make noise for clause 1, ask them to pay for a backup setup. clause 2, tell the to hire a non-portfolio building pro. clause 3, tell them to buy over the copyright of the pics ($10 each photo)

    If you shoot, please do so professionally... like it or not you still need to deliver to the best of your ability, paid or not.

    If you don't wan to shoot then just tell everyone it's so... even if they offer to pay you, your position shouldn't change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    Firstly, I suggest that you be honest to yourself and decide if you want to cover this AD paid or not.

    If you are just concerned about payment, then I suggest that you forget it and look at the bigger picture. Take on the shoot, but make sure that the couple SIGN a triplicate disclaimer that 1) you would not be held responsible should your equipment fails during the shoot, 2) you would also not be held responsible if the pics does not turn out the way it's expected and this is portfolio building shoot only. This gives you lee way on experimenting and build your style. 3) Their pics may be floated on the net like CS forums for critiques, comments and improvements.

    If they make noise for clause 1, ask them to pay for a backup setup. clause 2, tell the to hire a non-portfolio building pro. clause 3, tell them to buy over the copyright of the pics ($10 each photo)

    If you shoot, please do so professionally... like it or not you still need to deliver to the best of your ability, paid or not.

    If you don't wan to shoot then just tell everyone it's so... even if they offer to pay you, your position shouldn't change.
    sounds like a more complicated way of saying "no"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO View Post
    sounds like a more complicated way of saying "no"...
    It's just doing it professionally, nothing unusual.... even the PROs have disclaimers in their contract too. And the fees paid sometimes do cover the copyrights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    It's just doing it professionally, nothing unusual.... even the PROs have disclaimers in their contract too. And the fees paid sometimes do cover the copyrights.
    exactly why it's a no, because they don't want the whole "professionalism" thing, they just need pics, free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO View Post
    exactly why it's a no, because they don't want the whole "professionalism" thing, they just need pics, free.
    hahaha... they will still get free pics mah. TS just need to cover himself just in case things goes haywire.... that is, if he decides to cover the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    finally, someone talking sense
    always....

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    TS,

    Loan out your camera on that day and go back to the days of film. Buy 2 of the cheap disposable cameras from the film processing labs. Put them directly under the hot sun for couple of days to kill the negs and use them to cover the wedding.

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    Strange why everyone wants the threadstarter to screw up the shoot... Why not just tell him not to take the shoot. I can just imagine all hell breaking loose when his gf brother finds out that the photos are all crap. I dont think his gf is going to be smiling.....

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    I thought and told TS should simply not do the shoot ... screwing the shoot up, not worthi it, too much headache jsut to pull it off nicely
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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    Strange why everyone wants the threadstarter to screw up the shoot... Why not just tell him not to take the shoot. I can just imagine all hell breaking loose when his gf brother finds out that the photos are all crap. I dont think his gf is going to be smiling.....
    That's why I say if wan to do it, do it professionally.... including the contracts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feinwerkbau View Post
    In some ways, and depending on how much contact you and your future wife may have, the above statement says it all.

    Besides the obvious that has been pointed out, sometimes, for 'family peace' we all have to do things we don't want to, or like.

    But if your partner is in the opinion that you should not be taken advantage of, and is willing to rock the boat along with you, then it's your call.

    Other than that, unless you use one of the suggestions mentioned by the others, or think of something, it looks like you're done for.

    Another approach you could take is to ask him to at least pay for expenses. What was it Belle & Sebastian shared once? Show him this list:



    transport cost.

    meeting the clients needs time and money,

    confirming and collecting the retainer/deposit cost time and money.

    meeting a few days before the client's wedding cost time and money.

    going down to cover the wedding needs time and money.

    going home to rest in-between the festitivies cost time and money.

    going back to the dinner venue cost time and money.

    returning home from the long day cost time and money.

    meeting your clients to deliver your work cost time and money.

    that is just transport cost.

    albums,

    sample albums, sample prints, sample pictures, sample CDs
    electicity costs

    computers need power

    cameras need power

    flashes need power

    electric bills are going up again.
    hardware cost

    cameras cost money
    camera parts cost moeny
    lenses cost money
    lens hoods cost money
    filters cost money
    memony cards cost money
    batteries cost money
    flashes cost money

    camera bags cost money
    computers cost money
    ram cost money
    harddisk cost money
    monitors cost money
    mouse, keypads, card readers, cost money
    extention cords cost money
    tables and chairs that you sit to edit your photos cost money
    going to buy these equipment cost time and money.

    softcopy costs

    photoshop cost money
    software to enhance your pictures cost money
    other photo editing. enchaning slideshow software cost money
    anti-virus software cost money
    internet cost money




    real or fake software, also need money to buy.

    bills

    phonebills need to be paid
    servers need to be paid
    marketing tools need to be paid
    salary needs to be paid

    cost of sales

    CDs need money
    DVDs need money
    covers need money
    paper need money
    ink need money
    paperback need money

    office?

    rental bills, car bills, tables, chairs, lights, water, fridge etc........

    albums,

    sample albums, sample prints, sample pictures, sample CDs


    IF all else fails, this is what a cab driver once shared with me (when dealing with difficult relatives). * This is not me or what I would use; I would most likely help, or say No outrightly.

    1) Get pally with them. Basically, treat them nicely and gain their trust, or at least liking.

    2) Call them up privately and say you need to meet to discuss something very important. Get that person to make time for you.

    3) Meet up, and chit chat for awhile, and start stoking his ego saying that you really respect what he has achieved bla bla bla, and that you feel he is the only poerson who can help.

    4) Ask to borrow 30K as you need to get some loansharks off your back.
    Thanks pal! Think your list is more than enough to calculate every single minute and cents with him. lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveIronFrenzy View Post
    Bro, I think there's some misunderstanding. During the day, you shoot that's fine.
    BUT at the dinner hor... As you know the usual chinese wedding dinner sequence...
    The AD photog WHERE GOT TIME TO SIT & EAT??? So he is NOT giving you a free meal.
    Rather you give him an Ang Pow and sit down to eat man.
    I've thought of this too. There is basically no time to eat when you're AD for a typical chinese wedding dinner. Perhaps this is his way of "giving me a free meal".

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