onz lah.. lemee know when u wan to drop by my studio..
yur time also flexible rite?
onz lah.. lemee know when u wan to drop by my studio..
yur time also flexible rite?
hi there. dun mind if i help you add some technical stuff i have learnt.
morning at bride's place. perhaps a 24-70 will be enough. if have the time can use 50 or 85 to capture the expressions of the bride or a wide angle to get the shoes/gown and the bride together. mirror shots are good to try out too. perhaps one with a calendar to show their wedding day.
be sure to capture many candid moments (if you prefer candid) of the bride laughing over jokes or whatsoever, that is only if she is accomdating enough.
when groom comes 24-70 will be good idea. make sure lens dun kenna condensation if bride's apartment is air conditioned or whatsoever. make sure stand at correct position when the "small little boy" opens the door and whatsoever.
also. candid moments if the sisters decide to play tricks on the groom.
once inside be sure to capture the "kissing" of bride. if accomdating enough can always ask them to hold for you to shoot. or else just have to act fast and be ready pre focussed already.
if the car is small. a use of a WA may be essential if you are following in their car capturing the 2 of them behind.
make sure lens dun kenna condensation once you leave the car.
if is chinese tradition, there should be someone throwing petals in front. try not to block her way.
tea ceremony and pray to ancestors, make sure can capture good angle during tea ceremony. ask them to move if the place too cramed and explain to them why, cannot take everyone and stuff like that la. try not to say the room too small. some parents may not be happy. then for the capturing of tea ceremony it will be to the photog's preference whether to take normally. aka. wide angle everyone inside or do some journalistic shots. artistic shots of them passing the tea over or the groom's mother passing the bride some jewellery and stuff like that. a use of a WA 2.8 may be good. like a 16-35 2.8 sometimes brings out the correct mood. 24-70 may be too narrow. just my 2cents
from my experience, my day will end here. will have some time to go home and edit morning shots to put as slideshow later during evening time.
be sure to ask the groom the location of the suite room and arrive early if possible. make sure slideshow set up good to go before start shooting or whatever.
take a few more shots inside the suite and perhaps can ask the couple to pose and stuff like that.
for dinner my setup will be a WA as main and a 50 1.8 for mood stuff. (no $$$ to get 85 )
before the dinner start can be at the reception to take a few candid shots of the brothers and sister. most likely the groom will be there. from my experience the bride will be at the suite room waiting for 1st march in.
be sure about the march in. can always instruct the couple in a friendly way. like tell them to look at you while they walk in and do it slowly and stuff. most will listen. since the photographer is regarded as the one with the most experience in this field.
the first one will be the cutting of cake. just remember to ask them to look. can choose to do shots from different perspectives. up to personal style and if couple appreciate or not.
can do a few shots before 2nd march in, perhaps at the lift or something. 50 1.8 or 85 1.8 comes into good use here with natural lighting.
after yum seng will be group table shots. will be very effective if have assistant to help to direct the guests to get optimal location while photog can check exposure. (imo important because is grp table shot. one shot one kill) machine gun to prevent blinking of eyes. lol.
after grp table can station outside to get ready for couple to thank the guest and stuff.
after that mostly done. thank and congratulate.
during the entire process i find the most important is to be alert of whatever is happening around you. there are some moments which can only be captured in a candid fashion. so be alert. no matter how tired you are before or whatsoever. must have the professional look there lor.
be sure to invest in some good shoes and nice black socks. so can take off easily when reaching the repsective houses. or to take off shoes and shoot big grp photos inside restaurant with chair.
lastly. some mints will help also
just my 2cents. hope it helps.
where are my primes?
Nice of you to share your experiences too.
so far i only did a couple of shoots for fun for friends, the 17-40 seems better for me, 24-70 abit tight after the crop factor on my cam.
but yeah.. candids are important, most people nowadays seems to prefer those over "posed" shots.. ^^
Looks like there are many professionals here. Maybe the pros can organise a seminar just purely on Wedding Photography, how about that?
Hi, wanzw. Thanks for your contribution. This thread definately need contributions from everyone like yourself to be more comprehensive. I totally left out the past of praying to ancestors.
But I've avoided recommendation of what hardware to use because it's up to the photographer's style. Different photographer have different preference as in ~Arcanic~ case. Some would go for Full Frame and a all-in-one zoom lens and other would go for fast primes to achieve DOF.
I would like to thank CYRN for sharing the wedding tips with us..
Personally I think that his tips were really helpful....
For me, I am going to take my first wedding shoot for a friend in a couple of weeks time and I am really nervous about it thou I am only the secondary photographer.
Sigh.. then again, this wedding is a great excuse for me to buy a flash and len....
I feel it's also appropriate to include here just some of the problems you're likely to experience first hand as photographers continue to build their wedding portfolio to include as many different kinds of clients as possible, including freebie weddings for family relatives. I hope this never happens to anyone but because it happened to me twice and also to my associates, I'll include a link here for some interesting and controversial reading.
I have realised one very critical aspect of shooting a wedding in a roomful of relatives. It's very distracting, everyone wants to talk to you and gets in the way of "work" especially the elderly whom you cannot just ignore or walk away! In such intimate and relaxed atmosphere, it's difficult to be serious and stay focused. I prefer to walk into a client's residence and work with people I meet for the first time. If you can understand this, you'll quickly appreciate the problems I encountered.
All the best!
Tea ceremony is more about the relatives than the couple. A good tip here would be to ask and remind the relatives sitting down to have one of them sitted slighting in front of the other so that you capture both of them throughout the sessions. In the absence of a wedding planner or assistance to remind them, we have to - they are too busy and stressed out to know what we expect them to.
Thanks everyone for sharing these wonderful tips
nicholas68: I'll put up something about how to price your assignments sometime end of Jan... need to sort a few other things first.
*disclaimer* What I put here is a very simplistic way to calculate the rates you should charge. It's only a very rough guide.
As for how to price your photography business. You can follow a few benchmarks.
1. How much are your peers earning per year. For eg, if my peers are earning $60K-$70K pa (inclusive of bonus and benifits). That works out to be $5K-$6K per month. So if you are able to secure 5 or 6 assignments you can then charge $1K per assignment.
2. Market rate. To understand market rate, you also have to understand the type of client base you are targeting. The current base starts at about $200 for "students" price up to the $400-$800 band where freelancer with portfolios should be charging. $800-$1.2K is where income earners should be charging (of course being income it also implies your skills and standard is there). $1.2K and above... if you are already charging at this rate, you should be contributing to this thread instead. Then you have to make sure you do the corresponding number of assignments per month to ensure your profitability after taking away your expenses.
3. Cost analysis method. All things depreciates, especially your PC and your cam body. For such items I tag it with 2 years depreciation and for items such as lenses and other accessories, I tag it to 5 years. Add your capital cost to your average expenses per month and add the amount you want to save. Then you divied them to the average number of jobs you can shoot each month. This will tell you how much to charge per job depending on how many deals you can close.
4. Charge up to what your client is willing to pay. It's basically upping your price until you find that your client is not willing to pay. Then you take a step back. Hold your pricing until you get sufficent clients then up your price again.
The above idea is to price services so that capital cost can be recovered and are suitable only for those whom seeks to profit from photography business. If are not $$$ bound, then the above may not be applicable. Even if you are a student and your setup is given to you, then your cost is effectively $0. Since your peers are also not earning. Theoretically there is no need to charge at all... right?... it's actually wrong... cuz although it not your(student) cost it's still parent's cost (your school fees, pocket money, expenses..etc), there's no free lunch.
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thanx a mill for a very insightful contri on the subject. i do have a simple question though, once all said and done for the wedding, how many recommended showcase ( the winner pics with PP ) pics that's eventually to be compiled in an album(s)? what's the typical size?