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    zack! okaye i get it now!
    and it's scary shite. 17-55 cost $2500 !
    wah.

    hmm thank you anyway!

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    Sorry... forgot to add on about the AF and AF-D lenses. They are good, but this time around, Nikon has left them out of the options for the D40. Why? I dunno

    Could be a marketing gimmic to make ppl buy more AF-S lenses or it could be a signal that they are progressing to AF-S lenses as a standard. Coz it seems like all the new lenses launched recently have AF-S, 18-135 for the D80, 105VR micro, 18-55 ver II, etc...

    If you want to use the AF and AF-D lenses, then I suggest you go for a D50.
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    i know d50 doesnt have auto iso!

    hmm would a auto iso come in handy for a amatuer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eloera View Post
    i know d50 doesnt have auto iso!

    hmm would a auto iso come in handy for a amatuer?
    any auto function would be good to have.

    However in photography when one improves, one would like more control over the settings.

    Saw your site... I tink you should have a cam that allows you more creative control instead of auto everything.

    And to answer your thread... better to get DSLR for learning... the exif information is very useful for learning.
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    i understand that iso is the sensitivity of film to light?

    but how does it affect a dslr,since dslr doesnt use film or negative for its photographs?

    okaye. i am reallly clueless abt this.

    please tell me more?


    but i have more or less decided on d50? just that i will go read up more on it and the canon dslr cameras for comparison!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eloera View Post
    i understand that iso is the sensitivity of film to light?

    but how does it affect a dslr,since dslr doesnt use film or negative for its photographs?

    okaye. i am reallly clueless abt this.

    please tell me more?


    but i have more or less decided on d50? just that i will go read up more on it and the canon dslr cameras for comparison!
    Iso too high will have noise, why not wait till Sitex and see got any bargains??
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    alright! hmm but when's sitex!


    hey , you know i understand that d50 kit lens will include AF-S DX 18-55 mm lens , bt does it also come with Nikkor 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G AF Lens?

    when i buy d5o off the shelf, does it mean it really only provides the body only without any lense at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eloera View Post
    alright! hmm but when's sitex!


    hey , you know i understand that d50 kit lens will include AF-S DX 18-55 mm lens , bt does it also come with Nikkor 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G AF Lens?

    when i buy d5o off the shelf, does it mean it really only provides the body only without any lense at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eloera View Post
    alright! hmm but when's sitex!


    hey , you know i understand that d50 kit lens will include AF-S DX 18-55 mm lens , bt does it also come with Nikkor 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G AF Lens?

    when i buy d5o off the shelf, does it mean it really only provides the body only without any lense at all?
    It does not include the 28-80.

    Off the shelf, you normally have 2 options.

    1 : buy body only
    2 : buy the kit (which adds the 18-55 lens on as well as some extras which the shops may throw in)

    As for ISO, that's a measure of the speed of sensitivity to light.
    Here's a rough guage of it when doubled :
    ISO 100
    ISO 200
    ISO 400
    ISO 800
    ISO 1600
    ISO 3200 (known as High 1.0 and normally found only on the more advanced cams)

    in between, there are other ISO speeds at 1/3 of the change. (i.e. from 100 - 200 is 125 and 160)

    The faster the ISO, the faster the shutter speed corresponds. But as mentioned above, the higher ISO tends to have grainy effects, so most users give up at about ISO 800, else the grain may be too much for the picture (this is subjective and also depends on your exposure, I have tried shooting a wedding at ISO 1600 on a prime lens for fun and I still go some decent shots) So good luck and do experiment.
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    hmmm alright i got it! thanks alot!


    hmm am i right to say that these lenses are interchangeable?
    as in if i get the 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G AF Lens it will be good enough since it covers a wider focal range than the AF-S DX 18-55 mm lens ?

    and that's DX lenses are lens for a more generic use and unless i want to specialise in other types of photography like nature , i wldnt need lenses like zoom or telephoto lens? or even normal lens?


    what are the types of lens you guys own! and what are they use for ! and which wld you recommend!


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloyteo View Post
    slr for a newbie?? i don't think its feasible...
    Sorry but why the hell not?

    What did you think newbies used back in the days before digital? (Apart from RFs and TLRs)

    Besides, film SLRs are going for a song these days. $500 will get you a very good kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aloyteo View Post
    slr for a newbie?? i don't think its feasible...
    This is nonsense. I started on a fully manual FM2 and probably those older than myself have used cameras without an inbuilt meter.

    The TS does have a rather nice budget so it's actually ok to go digital as well. Nowadays, the margin in cost between digital and film is much less than it was last time so feel free to start out on digital.

    If you're really interested in film, get a cheap film body like an EOS 30 or even a 300. Get the Tamron 24-135 to go with it and that set-up will take you quite a long way before you need anything else. Total cost? ~600 or less if you purchase everything 2nd hand. The learning curve of film is steeper also as it punishes your pocket for shooting rubbish.

    For digital, there's no penalty so you tend not to remember your mistakes. Naturally, people also argue that if you get to shoot more volume with digital and hence practice makes perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eloera View Post
    hmmm alright i got it! thanks alot!


    hmm am i right to say that these lenses are interchangeable?
    as in if i get the 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6 G AF Lens it will be good enough since it covers a wider focal range than the AF-S DX 18-55 mm lens ?

    and that's DX lenses are lens for a more generic use and unless i want to specialise in other types of photography like nature , i wldnt need lenses like zoom or telephoto lens? or even normal lens?


    what are the types of lens you guys own! and what are they use for ! and which wld you recommend!

    Just remember that the digital cameras for Nikon have a 1.5x crop factor and tat will render all lenses slightly longer than the numbers it carries.

    i.e. 18 - 55mm effectively = 27 - 82.5mm
    28 - 80mm = 42 - 120mm

    And without a wider angle lens, you'd suffer indoors when limited by space. Keep the kit lens and get one which is longer later, e.g. 70-300G for a longer reach. This would suffice for general use with a D50. a 50mm f1.8 would be also a cheap option for low light usage and also for training for composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorerZ View Post
    eh must be kidding, d40 for professional/experienced? it is the most basic out of basic dSLR one can get in the market(new) already...
    I seriously thinks that a beginner won't really get much out of a D40.. Why? It's a bit complex.. (In my opinion, so don't flame me)

    First, it can only fit DX lens, meaning that a lot of cheaper beginners lens can't be used. So either you have a budget for all the VRs, or you will be stuck with the kit lens.

    If I am not wrong, EV adjustments are in steps of 1.0!! Now, perhaps a more experienced person are able to fool the camera to really get what he wants (Via Manual). Else, for a beginner, unless he just shoot and hope for the best, else, for fine exposure tuning, it can be quite difficult.

    Also, D40 don't have the top panel, thus, a lot of details have to see via Viewfinder or worse the menu. Which, I think the beginners won't be too accustomed to.

    Please be reminded that I am only pointing out why a beginner should not be getting a D40, but a D50 / D80 instead. In fact, I still thinks that D50 is a very very good beginners camera.

    D40, for me... I think will be for a 2nd camera so that you don't have to frequent change lens, or a leisure 2nd camera. One that is used when you just want something small and light for a light walkabout trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Ang View Post
    I seriously thinks that a beginner won't really get much out of a D40.. Why? It's a bit complex.. (In my opinion, so don't flame me)

    First, it can only fit DX lens, meaning that a lot of cheaper beginners lens can't be used. So either you have a budget for all the VRs, or you will be stuck with the kit lens.

    If I am not wrong, EV adjustments are in steps of 1.0!! Now, perhaps a more experienced person are able to fool the camera to really get what he wants (Via Manual). Else, for a beginner, unless he just shoot and hope for the best, else, for fine exposure tuning, it can be quite difficult.

    Also, D40 don't have the top panel, thus, a lot of details have to see via Viewfinder or worse the menu. Which, I think the beginners won't be too accustomed to.

    Please be reminded that I am only pointing out why a beginner should not be getting a D40, but a D50 / D80 instead. In fact, I still thinks that D50 is a very very good beginners camera.

    D40, for me... I think will be for a 2nd camera so that you don't have to frequent change lens, or a leisure 2nd camera. One that is used when you just want something small and light for a light walkabout trip.

    for your info, the top LCD is being replaced by the main LCD, you can view all the info from there. and no... it doesn't mean AF-S = DX lens.. take a look at 70-200VR, 28-70...etc for cheaper one, they have the 18-70, 18-55, 55-200, 70-300VR. not much but a 18-70/18-55 + 55-200 is good enough for started.

    EV compensation still come in 1/3 step instead of what you mention 1step.

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    Thanks, nice to know about the EV thing. Think I've read the phishing site then. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoned View Post
    The TS does have a rather nice budget so it's actually ok to go digital as well. Nowadays, the margin in cost between digital and film is much less than it was last time so feel free to start out on digital.
    As Stoned said... digital is really much cheaper this days..

    I feel tt you should get a DSLR because... the cost of processing film is quite heavy on a long run.
    If u want to practise composition, digital gives u more room for experiment. Film gives u a harder and a lesson u will not forget easily.

    But a film SLR does help u if u are a very easy going person(anyhow shoot sense) because you will tend to think hard b4 you shoot. Due to the fact tt every shot is money

    The suspense of waiting for the processing of film is quite in fact, fun i put it. And u may practise a habit of making every shot kill. ( hope no one me for my opinion).

    There are also various films to experiment on... maybe velvia2 the comeback?
    Film colours are still nicer... Tt's my perception...

    I picked up photography from a film slr and now transitioning to a digital. But i dont regret the days of film.
    If given a choice, I will still go to film... but films are becoming xp compared to digital these days..

    So guess whether u have to see what u can afford... but these days .. those ppl who dont really know photography, when they see film ... like see alien liddat.

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    There are also various films to experiment on... maybe velvia2 the comeback?
    Film colours are still nicer... Tt's my perception...

    i know too.. but the learning curve of slr is so costly, it 's going to cost alot with each and every experimentation that goes wrong? and lol. i don think i will be signing up with any photography course so which mean alot of learning on my part is going to be thru trial and error?

    ahhaha and for that , i seriously dont think i can afford it..or be excited and too anticipative to see the photos only to have them all screwed up?


    i am thinking of getting a d50 and when i am more familiar..and all i will move on to SLR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eloera View Post
    i know too.. but the learning curve of slr is so costly, it 's going to cost alot with each and every experimentation that goes wrong? and lol. i don think i will be signing up with any photography course so which mean alot of learning on my part is going to be thru trial and error?

    ahhaha and for that , i seriously dont think i can afford it..or be excited and too anticipative to see the photos only to have them all screwed up?
    Yes. Tt's true... Digital photography is cheaper, tt's wat Nikon and Canon have been doing to bring in more profits (e.g. D40?? )

    Getting a D50 would be great for you I think. Your hand not too big rightZ?
    Maybe u should consider getting a second hand D70's kit lens instead, the 18-70mm F3.5- 4.5. Its abt $250 - $300 nowadays. Its's better and the focal length gives you more flexibility.

    The course will defintely help you learn faster and maybe better.
    But maybe u want to practise first, say a month then go for the photography course.
    Grasp your mistakes first. then can appreciate the course better.

    Its up to u actually.

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    maybe the TS can also consider canon's 300D, 350D or 400D?
    they are smaller and lighter than nikon D50/D70 in size. was thinking for a lady just starting out, maybe easier for her?
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