K10D Vs K100D

[kzone]

Hi guys,

I'll be getting my 1st DSLR soon & thinking of D80, K10D & K100D. Cant seem to get much info on K10D on the net. Other that the megapixels & battery, what are the other differences between the K10D & K100D?

[longko]

Originally Posted by kzone Hi guys, I'll be getting my 1st DSLR soon & thinking of D80, K10D & K100D. Cant seem to get much info on K10D on the net. Other that the megapixels & battery, what are the other differences between the K10D & K100D?

That's because K10D had yet been released. It's expected to be in most countries around end Nov. K10D is weatherproof and ISO starts from 80 to 1600. How much better we'll all have to wait.

Like you I'm also getting my 1st DSLR, and I got a strong feeling it'll be the K10D.

[dnaxe]

The improvements are basically all the "features" set out here:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pentaxk10d/

It's very likely going to be a better camera than the D80, except for lens availability in Singapore.

[Jaycelim]

Let wait for the full review at dpreview, I'll settled for D80 if the review is no gd.

[fengwei]

Originally Posted by Jaycelim Let wait for the full review at dpreview, I'll settled for D80 if the review is no gd.

I'll get the K10D even the review isn't good And I don't expect a full review of the K10d very soon even after it's released. DPR is quite slow w/ Pentax stuff. There is no review for K100d yet at DPR even after it's been released almost 4-5 months back ...

And I'll get the Nikon D80 too, if I didn't choose Pentax in the first place It's really a great camera.

[dnaxe]

I was SO tempted by the D80, and I would have got it if i could have justified spending 1000 more.

IT was difficult though, 10 MP is useless to me, and while the 18-135 is a great range, I prefer sacrificing those to SR (and keeping the money). The only thing i really seriously regret is the viewfinder - the D80 has a gorgeous viewfinder.

[kzone]

Originally Posted by dnaxe The only thing i really seriously regret is the viewfinder - the D80 has a gorgeous viewfinder.

Yeah, this & the AF-S DX 18-135 kit lens is swaying the favour to D80.

Looking at the specs of the K10D & K100D, it looks like the 100D ISO can go higher at 3200 while the 10D is only up to 1600... I dont think will use much of 3200 but just wondering hopw come the higher model as lower ISO... both has 11 area AF...

One question, if I do get one of 10MP cams, can I set it to lower MP but still shoot in raw? Or is the max MP automatically selected when u shoot raw?

[dnaxe]

Originally Posted by kzone Yeah, this & the AF-S DX 18-135 kit lens is swaying the favour to D80. Looking at the specs of the K10D & K100D, it looks like the 100D ISO can go higher at 3200 while the 10D is only up to 1600... I dont think will use much of 3200 but just wondering hopw come the higher model as lower ISO... both has 11 area AF... One question, if I do get one of 10MP cams, can I set it to lower MP but still shoot in raw? Or is the max MP automatically selected when u shoot raw?

RAW: Not on the K100D, unlikely on the D80. Max MP is automatically selected. It's sensor data...

I personally don't think the 18-135 kit is that big a deal. I think the 18-200 VR is a good reason to get the nikon though (but that just makes it SUPER expensive )

The K10D's viewfinder should be as good as the one in the D80. As for the lens.. Well, i'd rather have 18-55 + 70+300 stabilized, or 18-200 stabilized (get a sigma/tamron) than a 18-135. Pentax doesn't have a 18-135, but sigma has a 18-125 which generally reviews well. (Not sure about price or availability in singapore though)

[istDeS]

Originally Posted by kzone Yeah, this & the AF-S DX 18-135 kit lens is swaying the favour to D80. Looking at the specs of the K10D & K100D, it looks like the 100D ISO can go higher at 3200 while the 10D is only up to 1600... I dont think will use much of 3200 but just wondering hopw come the higher model as lower ISO... both has 11 area AF... One question, if I do get one of 10MP cams, can I set it to lower MP but still shoot in raw? Or is the max MP automatically selected when u shoot raw?

If i have not started with Pentax, i will go for Nikon D80. I will get the K10D once it arrived.

I think the ISO 1600 on K10D is similar to the K100D ISO 3200 image quality.

My DS stays at largest image size if i select to use raw. So I think largest imagine size is automatically selected when shoot raw in K10D also.

[macrob]

Originally Posted by kzone Yeah, this & the AF-S DX 18-135 kit lens is swaying the favour to D80. Looking at the specs of the K10D & K100D, it looks like the 100D ISO can go higher at 3200 while the 10D is only up to 1600... I dont think will use much of 3200 but just wondering hopw come the higher model as lower ISO... both has 11 area AF... One question, if I do get one of 10MP cams, can I set it to lower MP but still shoot in raw? Or is the max MP automatically selected when u shoot raw?

K10D ISO 1600=D80 ISO 3200, they use the same CCD from SONY, its just Nikon mark all the ISO value X2.
It also depend on the inter chip and software in the camera body.
I dun think there will be significant different.

[look4raymond]

I'm also getting my 1st DSLR soon. Was heading for D80 when i stumbled upon the K10D.

Price wise, itz not much different, maybe D80 is S$100 more. But the K10D is heavier than the D80, which is a main concern to me. I've tried my friend's Canon 20D i think, plus the lens, woa itz heavy, my hand starts to tremble. I guess i'm not that muscular.. The K10D has the ShakeReduction feature which is a plus. The D80 has better looking body, but thatz just personal preference, hehe.

Many photographers say DSLR is primarily about lens, not the body. I am of the impression that Pentax loses in this area.

Sigh... Which one should i choose?

[dnaxe]

Originally Posted by look4raymond I'm also getting my 1st DSLR soon. Was heading for D80 when i stumbled upon the K10D. Price wise, itz not much different, maybe D80 is S$100 more. But the K10D is heavier than the D80, which is a main concern to me. I've tried my friend's Canon 20D i think, plus the lens, woa itz heavy, my hand starts to tremble. I guess i'm not that muscular.. The K10D has the ShakeReduction feature which is a plus. The D80 has better looking body, but thatz just personal preference, hehe. Many photographers say DSLR is primarily about lens, not the body. I am of the impression that Pentax loses in this area. Sigh... Which one should i choose?

Tell us what you want to shoot...

[longko]

Originally Posted by look4raymond Price wise, itz not much different, maybe D80 is S$100 more.

How can that be??? US$999 for K10D with kit lens. Are you comparing D80 body with K10D w/kit lens? Unless D80 has a major price drop...

I do believe it's about lens. If you have like 5k or more to spend, you should go for D80. One of the main reason I'm considering pentax is the K mount. You get to use vintage lens (which are quite cheap, but no AF) and you still get anti-shake function in them.

[look4raymond]

Originally Posted by longko How can that be??? US$999 for K10D with kit lens. Are you comparing D80 body with K10D w/kit lens? Unless D80 has a major price drop... I do believe it's about lens. If you have like 5k or more to spend, you should go for D80. One of the main reason I'm considering pentax is the K mount. You get to use vintage lens (which are quite cheap, but no AF) and you still get anti-shake function in them.

Ops sorry, wrong info!

K10D Body = USD899
D80 Body = USD999

USD100 price difference which amounts to SGD165+-. Probably when K10D is in full launch, i do think the D80 will price drop to compete with K10D. Even if don't drop, not much price difference oso lar, since at this stage, u r oredy willing to pay SGD1500+- for the DSLR. So me thinks the price consideration is out.

[look4raymond]

Originally Posted by dnaxe Tell us what you want to shoot...

I'm a graphic designer and potential photo-hobbyist..
So i will use the camera to take all type of pictures to supplement my work n my hobby. Hence, picture qualities are very important to me.

I don't like the idea that Nikon and Canon DSLRs does not have built-in anti-shake mechanism in their body. You will have to pay more to get this feature in the lens. With built-in anti-shake, your lens choices will increase as u get to purchase cheaper lens without those VR or IS thingy, IMO.

And i like to support underdog products + does not want to flow with the flow, hehe!

[longko]

Originally Posted by look4raymond I'm a graphic designer and potential photo-hobbyist.. So i will use the camera to take all type of pictures to supplement my work n my hobby. Hence, picture qualities are very important to me. I don't like the idea that Nikon and Canon DSLRs does not have built-in anti-shake mechanism in their body. You will have to pay more to get this feature in the lens. With built-in anti-shake, your lens choices will increase as u get to purchase cheaper lens without those VR or IS thingy, IMO. And i like to support underdog products + does not want to flow with the flow, hehe!

If it's for work (meaning you will earn $$$ from it), think you can go N or C lah. Not because pentax cannot meet your needs for quailty. It's just that since work is involved, it's better to go for a porpular brand, cause you get more support. Like when you need a certain lens or flash, it's easier to get from shops. Pentax the dealers may not stock & you have to wait.

Edit: As for price, normally it'll drop after release. Pentax likes to give rebates in US & Canada. K100D is a good example.

[unseen]

Originally Posted by look4raymond I'm also getting my 1st DSLR soon. Was heading for D80 when i stumbled upon the K10D. Price wise, itz not much different, maybe D80 is S$100 more. But the K10D is heavier than the D80, which is a main concern to me. I've tried my friend's Canon 20D i think, plus the lens, woa itz heavy, my hand starts to tremble. I guess i'm not that muscular.. The K10D has the ShakeReduction feature which is a plus. The D80 has better looking body, but thatz just personal preference, hehe. Many photographers say DSLR is primarily about lens, not the body. I am of the impression that Pentax loses in this area. Sigh... Which one should i choose?

The 10D has ALOt more advance features than the D80... for 1 it has 9 cross sensors.. D80, 20D, 30D, etc... they all lag behind in terms of features and likely capabilities, IMHO

[Tetrode]

Originally Posted by look4raymond I'm also getting my 1st DSLR soon. Was heading for D80 when i stumbled upon the K10D. Price wise, itz not much different, maybe D80 is S$100 more. But the K10D is heavier than the D80, which is a main concern to me. I've tried my friend's Canon 20D i think, plus the lens, woa itz heavy, my hand starts to tremble. I guess i'm not that muscular.. The K10D has the ShakeReduction feature which is a plus. The D80 has better looking body, but thatz just personal preference, hehe. Many photographers say DSLR is primarily about lens, not the body. I am of the impression that Pentax loses in this area. Sigh... Which one should i choose?

Aiyo, 20D heavy? What is becoming of Sg guys these days?
Have you tried holding a Nikon F4e before - that is "heavy" (for a 35mm camera).

[look4raymond]

Originally Posted by longko If it's for work (meaning you will earn $$$ from it), think you can go N or C lah. Not because pentax cannot meet your needs for quailty. It's just that since work is involved, it's better to go for a porpular brand, cause you get more support. Like when you need a certain lens or flash, it's easier to get from shops. Pentax the dealers may not stock & you have to wait. Edit: As for price, normally it'll drop after release. Pentax likes to give rebates in US & Canada. K100D is a good example.

Pentax local support so bad one ar?

Care to give me some basic answers about Pentax thingy below:
1. How long is the warranty for a DSLR? Izit 1 year like Nikon and Canon? I read somewhere in dpreview, itz 3 years.
2. If got problem, where's the service centre?
3. 3rd party lenses should be able to fit in right?
4. Their flashes got all those 'commander' mode thing or not?
5. I read somewhere that you can't buy body only for the dslr, must buy the whole kit. Izit true?

Thanks!

[simdavid]

The K100D has 11 point focus point and SR as compared to the Ist DL. I wouldn't say it's a big difference but the K10D is a class by itself and the price, is unrivaled. K10D major points.

1. Weather sealed body
2. 2.5 - 4 stops for in body shake reduction
3. Compatibility for old lenses right to screw mount days
4. The PRIME processing engine. it crunch 22 bits of data as compared to 12 bits from competition. As image date are crunch from 22bit and then reduce, more dynamic range are retain so more details in the shadow areas.
5. Dust removel system

Look at how much it cost for all this features? For a price cheaper then a Nikon D80.

It's a strong contender to the competition and I am definitely getting it. 3 SSM lenses is going to be released 16-50/F2.8, 50-135/F2.8 and 60-200/F4 and 7 other more.

Want to know more about K10D development, links below. It's very ineteresting as you are learning what's go thru the mind when they develope K10D.

Title: Interview with a Pentax key person of K10D development.

Original link from Dpreivew:
Part 1: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/r...essage=20671456
Part 2: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/r...essage=20708306

The whole translated link from Ken is here:
Part 1: http://www.pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_...ber/033389.html

Part 2 has four links:

http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40.../msg356339.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40.../msg356334.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40.../msg356333.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40.../msg356338.html

Pentax Lens roadmap from 2006 - 2007, see if there's anything you like inside.

www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf

No matter, what you choose, just enjoy shooting