However, we cannot assume that this cuts any slack to either politicians or citizens. While accurate, the statement means
1) Any good politician can get away with the worst governance as long as he is persuasive.
2) Citizens base their judgement on persuasion rather than logic.
Therefore the current rhetoric would indicate conclusions
1) The Singapore government has been persuasive enough to be in power for the past 41 years.
2) The citizens have been adequately persuaded that this is the best government.
Against this rings back to a similar conclusion an observation made many times in many similarly political discussions,
Citizens deserve whatever governement they get.
In countries where they are allowed to make a fool of their leadership - they will be governed by fools.
In countries where they are allowed to make hell for government decisions - their government would be ineffective.
In countries where they refuse to contribute and participate - their government would run their lives for them.
actually hor, the gov should increase the income tax
so tax the rich elite and give to the poor
(the really poor, don't have to pay tax)
Your assertion that bankruptcies are increasing is wholly false. If you have read the biz times today, u would have seen that the number of applications for bankruptcies have fallen as the economy improves.
I only have one question....
Are all these contituitions written by people up there or people down here?
Two questions maybe,
Do they understand how we really live our life?
Or maybe three..
Do you mean we have to squeeze out every coins in our pocket before we are considered "poor" people?
make it four....
With the recent surge of taxes, expenses, utilities bills, transportation cost etc, anyone of you actually have a good pay revised by any of these foreign companies they have been dying to take care of, where is the Win-Win-Win situation?
OK, i promise the last one....
If ministers need to be paid like a CEOs, are the people consumers, customer, workers or slaves?
I seriously hope someone like dkw can advise me...
Last edited by Goondoo; 15th November 2006 at 12:58 AM.
Have a good evening!
my personal opinion:
1) dkw is 'zeng hu lang' in disguise (no offence intended)
2) increasing GST will also increase the cost of operating bizz here directly or indirectly. since coporate tax is a one time payment, whereas GST is on going whole year round, companies might end up paying more tax. penny wise, pound foolish? maybe...
3) whenever ministers r thirsty, they simply go & help themselves with a dip in the ocean.
4) looking at Ho Ching's track record of running companies, i m very worried now that she's in charge of temasek investment arm. running down a country is not impossible...
5) this tax thing is really not fairly compared with other countries, its always one aspect out of the whole thing. whatever the outcome, we the citizen of singapore, pledge ourselves as one united losers... cos of all the points mentioned by "opposition party" in this thread.
6) besides lower income, what about no income group?
oh well... time to zzzz... see u guys in the morning.
Last edited by nightpiper; 15th November 2006 at 01:11 AM.
It will be silly for anyone to think that GST will not go beyond 10%.
I am in no way affiliated with the g'ment or ruling party, and I have no affinity for either. I have traded lenses on this forum and some members here know me personally, they can tell you who I am and I have nothing to hide.
Truth be said, I dislike many many g'ment positions on issues, and particularly with regards to press freedom and political discourse, and healthcare (an issue close to my heart).
Why do I do this? I have written in a different thread, I believe the internet can be a source of good and bad. The contributions of the participants in forum will determine the quality of its content. In a few short years, my boys will be surfing the net and maybe trawling through CS. Are some of the posts here the most well considered or thought through? Have some folk even attempted to consider the larger picture before venting their spleen? I hope that my little drop in this ocean will prompt at least a few people to consider an alternate point of view other than the mass stampede to condemn the g'ment. That is my motivation.
Is it so incredible that someone could actually desire for a tax increase? I can tell you there are private citizens I know in the US who will only vote for politicians who PROMISE to increase taxes to fund social policies, and these are people who will be hardest hit by income tax increase. Remember, social compact?
We can always discuss issues, but lets not make this personal.
Have a good day.
That's real war for a grunt. Not simply a set of laws & rules. Wars are cruel where humans lose their rights, dignity where life is being trampled upon like the sand on the beach. Geneva Convention doesn't actually make war more 'humane' but simply serves to instil the hypocritical belief in others.
If one finds wars cruel, dun start it at all. And u wun need rules like these. My 2 cents.
United Nations? With all that scandals rocking humanitarian programs and the fact that the 'American Champion for Human Rights' trampled & spat on it right in their own backyard.Do not just accept the propaganda being fed to you-- that human rights is a "western" thing or that it's an "American" thing.
Ok, wun comment or put an analogy on this lest it sparks a forest fire.2. Freedom of expression means what it means. Anybody can go around in America saying "I hate Bush" or "Bush is Satan" and no one can arrest them. People are free to speak their mind (in this case, they hate Bush).
They criticise, yes. Govts come & go. What Clinton started of engaging the Middle East in dialog & peace mediation was terminated by Bush's war cries & the Axis of Evil. What was the rising star of the Opposition (Blair) now shot himself in the foot with Iraq War, public opinion against him.This does not mean they cannot be sued for libel. UK tabloids are frequently sued for libel when they cannot back up their sensational front page articles. But they can and certainly do criticise govts and govt policies, and that's a good thing-- at least better than the total absence of criticism here.
The world's with all its ups and downs are enough to send the stock market in a series of heart-thumping ups and downs that saw millions becoming billionaires and millions losing big bucks.
The press & government (anywhere) have a close link & responsibility to maintain the stability of a country, the system, the policies put in place. Kick one out of balance and it becomes a freewheeling see-saw where whoever jumps the hardest gets to catapult the opponent on the other end sky high.
"Wonders of the Human Mind. Unfathomable to the highest degree."
its has a lot to do with how is the tax raised, what ground, how much, its effect, its uses, etc. before any sane person wants an increase in taxes. i understand too that tax hike is inevitable, but too soon too much. someone already suggested a "cushion" that is... 6% next yr & 7% in '08. i personally feel this is a better approach. however, i also want to see more fine tuning of the overall tax sys as the GST increases, reducing or abolish certain taxes or levies perhaps?
u have a good day too. & no, i have no intention to make this a personal attack either.