Trade S9500 for S6500FD?

[Pynch]

I am thinking of trading my S9500 for S6500FD as I am attracted to the 2.5 inch LCD and face detection. I don't think I need 9MP and I don't use the hot shoe.

Before I decide on this, I understand that the EVF on the S6500 is smaller and has much lower resolution than the S9500/9600. Has anyone tried both and can comment? Anyone else has similar idea?

[Tetrode]

Originally Posted by Pynch I am thinking of trading my S9500 for S6500FD as I am attracted to the 2.5 inch LCD and face detection. I don't think I need 9MP and I don't use the hot shoe. Before I decide on this, I understand that the EVF on the S6500 is smaller and has much lower resolution than the S9500/9600. Has anyone tried both and can comment? Anyone else has similar idea?

I thought the EVF resolution was identical bet the models?
It doesn't matter anyway even if it was. You're better off using the LCD for everything - EVFs are a joke whichever why you look at it - pun not intended.

[Pynch]

Originally Posted by Tetrode I thought the EVF resolution was identical bet the models?

The EVF on S9500/9600 is 0.44 inch 235,000 pixels, I think the EVF on S6500 is 0.33 inch 115,000 pixels. I found it harder to hold the camera steady when using the LCD. The 2.5 inch LCD is very good for playback.

[Zaknafein]

Originally Posted by Tetrode I thought the EVF resolution was identical bet the models? It doesn't matter anyway even if it was. You're better off using the LCD for everything - EVFs are a joke whichever why you look at it - pun not intended.

why is the EVF a joke? care to explain?
i feel its way better than the LCD....

[Zaknafein]

Originally Posted by Pynch I am thinking of trading my S9500 for S6500FD as I am attracted to the 2.5 inch LCD and face detection. I don't think I need 9MP and I don't use the hot shoe. Before I decide on this, I understand that the EVF on the S6500 is smaller and has much lower resolution than the S9500/9600. Has anyone tried both and can comment? Anyone else has similar idea?

i suggest u keep ur 9500
the 2.5 inch LCD is only a good-to-have, and i think the face detection issnt very useful imo.

[michhy]

I just did a side-by-side comparison for both cameras, I realized that the 6500 is a larger camera than the 9500, weird (is being larger in style now?). Anyway, from the needs you mentioned and what you dont need on the S9500, yes, it does seem like a reasonable "downgrade" for you.

Speaking of EVF and LCD, I dont know about the S6500, but does it also allow you to bump the refresh rate to 60fps like the S9500 do? Maybe you dont need it, but it's one of those bigger factors for me.

[Tetrode]

Originally Posted by Zaknafein why is the EVF a joke? care to explain? i feel its way better than the LCD....

Any EVF is a joke as they cannot compare with an OVF (no matter how good the resolution is on them), unless the OVF is really small and dim. I've used EVFs since tiny TV tube ones on old video cameras to colour LCD ones on late model videocams and dislike them all.

I've tried the EVF of the 9600, 6500 and 5600. And they all fail miserably for me and are no match for a decent OVF.

[Tetrode]

To the TS,

There was a recent thread I've read (I can't remember if it was a CS thread) where the someone did a comparison of pics taken between the 6500 and 9600. The 6500 came out better of the two (noise wise) right up to 3200ISO.

So if image quality is important to you - the move to the 6500 is an upgrade.

[titan7x]

Most EVFs show 100% coverage of the final image, as compare to OVF. But also having other limitations such as low resolutions.

I prefers 6500 although I seldom use the face detection system.
IMHO, this camera's photo quality, esp in low light conditions, are better than many other cam I used before (including 9500 & 9600).


To michhy:

Yes, S6500fd's EVF refresh rate can switched between 30 & 60fps.

[Pynch]

Originally Posted by titan7x Most EVFs show 100% coverage of the final image, as compare to OVF. But also having other limitations such as low resolutions. I prefers 6500 although I seldom use the face detection system. IMHO, this camera's photo quality, esp in low light conditions, are better than many other cam I used before (including 9500 & 9600).

Is there any significant difference in the size, brightness and clarity of the EVF in 6500 compared to 9500/9600?

[Pynch]

Originally Posted by michhy Anyway, from the needs you mentioned and what you dont need on the S9500, yes, it does seem like a reasonable "downgrade" for you.

I think so too, so if anyone wishes to "upgrade" from S6500 to 9500, please PM me.

[titan7x]

Originally Posted by Pynch Is there any significant difference in the size, brightness and clarity of the EVF in 6500 compared to 9500/9600?

9500/9600 EVF have higher resolution, although not very significant.

[Zaknafein]

Originally Posted by Tetrode Any EVF is a joke as they cannot compare with an OVF (no matter how good the resolution is on them), unless the OVF is really small and dim. I've used EVFs since tiny TV tube ones on old video cameras to colour LCD ones on late model videocams and dislike them all. I've tried the EVF of the 9600, 6500 and 5600. And they all fail miserably for me and are no match for a decent OVF.

ohhh if u are comparing EVF to OVF, i can understand, and i agree with u totally. but u said using "better off using LCD than EVF", thats what i dun understand

[Clockunder]

S6500fd has better noise performance than S9500/9600 because it has fewer no. of pixels on about the same size image sensor.

9MP >6MP is of not much use because the limitation is in the lens in many situations where more pixels would simply give your more noise but not more details.

Face detection is of not much use in most situation too if you know how to focus and recompose.

If shooting at ISO 800 and 1600 is important to you and external flash hot-shoe is not important, then it makes sense to prefer the S6500fd.

How about the tilting LCD monitor in the S9500/9600? Don't have in S6500fd? Tilting LCD monitor is useful when taking pictures high angle above your head or low angle down near the floor. Other than that, it's much more steady to shoot using the EVF because you have some support by pressing the camera against your eyes. So I always shoot using the EVF and only use the LCD monitor in peculiar situations where using the EVF is not possible. Many noobs with prosumers cameras still like to use the LCD monitor because they're used to their previous small PnS without any view finder except the LCD monitor. That's why they got handshake blur even when 1/actual focal length guideline is followed and handheld.

The LCD monitor is more suited for picture review to check composition and exposure histogram (but not sharpness) immediately after a snap.

[p.s. faster add your comments before someone (not the threadstarter but someone nothing better to do and who OT everywhere in Clubsnap) come and say "Thread served its purpose" and then close the thread. I notice such things only happen frequently recently in Fujifilm sub-forum and not in Canon, Nikon ..... etc. sub-forums.]

[Tetrode]

Originally Posted by Zaknafein ohhh if u are comparing EVF to OVF, i can understand, and i agree with u totally. but u said using "better off using LCD than EVF", thats what i dun understand

Well, in the absence of an OVF and having the choice of only the EVF and LCD - hence the reason for my statement.

[Tetrode]

Originally Posted by Clockunder [p.s. faster add your comments before someone (not the threadstarter but someone nothing better to do and who OT everywhere in Clubsnap) come and say "Thread served its purpose" and then close the thread. I notice such things only happen frequently recently in Fujifilm sub-forum and not in Canon, Nikon ..... etc. sub-forums.]

Aren't you then referring to the Moderator or Admins? I would think that only mods and the admins have the ability to close threads besides the TS.

Addendum:
Nevermind - no need to answer - I've just checked who the mods are for this subforum and I realise now what you mean. Camembert, Brie, Limburger or Gouda anyone?

[Tetrode]

Originally Posted by Clockunder S6500fd has better noise performance than S9500/9600 because it has fewer no. of pixels on about the same size image sensor. 9MP >6MP is of not much use because the limitation is in the lens in many situations where more pixels would simply give your more noise but not more details. Face detection is of not much use in most situation too if you know how to focus and recompose. If shooting at ISO 800 and 1600 is important to you and external flash hot-shoe is not important, then it makes sense to prefer the S6500fd. How about the tilting LCD monitor in the S9500/9600? Don't have in S6500fd? Tilting LCD monitor is useful when taking pictures high angle above your head or low angle down near the floor. Other than that, it's much more steady to shoot using the EVF because you have some support by pressing the camera against your eyes. So I always shoot using the EVF and only use the LCD monitor in peculiar situations where using the EVF is not possible. Many noobs with prosumers cameras still like to use the LCD monitor because they're used to their previous small PnS without any view finder except the LCD monitor. That's why they got handshake blur even when 1/actual focal length guideline is followed and handheld. The LCD monitor is more suited for picture review to check composition and exposure histogram (but not sharpness) immediately after a snap. [p.s. faster add your comments before someone (not the threadstarter but someone nothing better to do and who OT everywhere in Clubsnap) come and say "Thread served its purpose" and then close the thread. I notice such things only happen frequently recently in Fujifilm sub-forum and not in Canon, Nikon ..... etc. sub-forums.]

FD is useful in situations where you have to hand the camera to stranger(who knows nothing of locking focus and recomposing) to have him/her take a photo of you. i.e. when you are on holiday or when your aunt is taking the photo.

Other than that, it's not necessary if you've used AF cameras before.

[Pynch]

Originally Posted by Tetrode Aren't you then referring to the Moderator or Admins? I would think that only mods and the admins have the ability to close threads besides the TS.

Wouldn't it be good if the Moderator or Admins leave the thread alone unless it went OT?

Originally Posted by Tetrode FD is useful in situations where you have to hand the camera to stranger(who knows nothing of locking focus and recomposing) to have him/her take a photo of you. i.e. when you are on holiday or when your aunt is taking the photo.

Kids act funny when they see that you are aiming a camera at them. If you just snap when talking and looking at them, you will get more natural shots. I think FD can be useful in such situations since you don't have the luxury of "aiming".

[sabian]

Originally Posted by Clockunder [p.s. faster add your comments before someone (not the threadstarter but someone nothing better to do and who OT everywhere in Clubsnap) come and say "Thread served its purpose" and then close the thread. I notice such things only happen frequently recently in Fujifilm sub-forum and not in Canon, Nikon ..... etc. sub-forums.]

I have to agree with you on that one.

Never been to a forum where the irritant is the mod...and yes it occurs only in Fuji.

[Cheesecake]

Originally Posted by Clockunder S6500fd has better noise performance than S9500/9600 because it has fewer no. of pixels on about the same size image sensor. 9MP >6MP is of not much use because the limitation is in the lens in many situations where more pixels would simply give your more noise but not more details. Face detection is of not much use in most situation too if you know how to focus and recompose. If shooting at ISO 800 and 1600 is important to you and external flash hot-shoe is not important, then it makes sense to prefer the S6500fd. How about the tilting LCD monitor in the S9500/9600? Don't have in S6500fd? Tilting LCD monitor is useful when taking pictures high angle above your head or low angle down near the floor. Other than that, it's much more steady to shoot using the EVF because you have some support by pressing the camera against your eyes. So I always shoot using the EVF and only use the LCD monitor in peculiar situations where using the EVF is not possible. Many noobs with prosumers cameras still like to use the LCD monitor because they're used to their previous small PnS without any view finder except the LCD monitor. That's why they got handshake blur even when 1/actual focal length guideline is followed and handheld. The LCD monitor is more suited for picture review to check composition and exposure histogram (but not sharpness) immediately after a snap. [p.s. faster add your comments before someone (not the threadstarter but someone nothing better to do and who OT everywhere in Clubsnap) come and say "Thread served its purpose" and then close the thread. I notice such things only happen frequently recently in Fujifilm sub-forum and not in Canon, Nikon ..... etc. sub-forums.]

u can PM me if u think there's something wrong in my approach.
we can talk it over via a meet up if u care to.