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    Quote Originally Posted by dDarkroom View Post
    ney, it goes to the bonuses of those top guys.

    I am always amazed by their heavily subsidized medication like paraceptamol which is cheaply available in coffeeshop and their so called non-standard drug which cost a bomb to many yet they don't subsidized.

    Doc any comment.
    Would'nt be surprised, I was given Panadols for Meningitis in a Singapore Hospital..try to beat that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dDarkroom View Post
    ney, it goes to the bonuses of those top guys.

    I am always amazed by their heavily subsidized medication like paraceptamol which is cheaply available in coffeeshop and their so called non-standard drug which cost a bomb to many yet they don't subsidized.

    Doc any comment.
    as far as i know, u buy paracetamol from hospital ain't any cheaper than you buy from pharmacy like guardian, unless someone wanna tell me that all paracetamol in sg are subsidized before selling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjourn View Post
    Would'nt be surprised, I was given Panadols for Meningitis in a Singapore Hospital..try to beat that.
    ya, try beating mine, i told the triage nurse i got paracetamol allergy and wore a red tag, and the doc prescribe paracetamol to discharge me from A&E.
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    Singapore's A&E services in hospitals are sometimes a PITA. Agree? Slow services and mediocre attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    ya, try beating mine, i told the triage nurse i got paracetamol allergy and wore a red tag, and the doc prescribe paracetamol to discharge me from A&E.
    You could have pop one in and then call your lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised View Post
    Doc, may I ask your opinion ....?
    Will there be any difference if the hospitals in Sg do not spend so much money on their buildings, carpets, plasma tv, high tech items which are not necessary, fanciful display, decor, art pieces, uniforms, etc... , except of course those necessary equipments ....
    Will the saving on all these expensive expenditures, and probably lowering the profit margins of medicines, lower the costs for patients? ... juz curious.
    hmm this seems true to a certain extent. But look in another direction. With the fanciful display, decor art pieces etc, would it to a certain extent help patients feel more at ease? If they do not spend money on the buildings would it attract healthcare tourist? Would it lead to more efficient service? Without the high tech items such as plasma tv i'm sure we can get by, but there may be indirect administrative cost?

    Hmm uniforms? Unneccesary? Wait till one day no uniform then a murderer acting as a nurse come in and treats u.

    There are pros and cons to everything. I'm sure wastage is present in the public service sector, but i'm sure the work they put in more than makes up for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nexus0 View Post
    Singapore's A&E services in hospitals are sometimes a PITA. Agree? Slow services and mediocre attitudes.
    dunno leh, i see them very busy, remember once i had a accident, saw a old classmate at A&E, called out, but never respond, must be really busy... or the blood on my face make me unrecognizable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nexus0 View Post
    You could have pop one in and then call your lawyer.
    just got a major car accident, head spinning with heart palpitation... did ECG etc, so if i take that, might end up forgoing admission & straight to heaven...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanxj View Post
    hmm this seems true to a certain extent. But look in another direction. With the fanciful display, decor art pieces etc, would it to a certain extent help patients feel more at ease? If they do not spend money on the buildings would it attract healthcare tourist? Would it lead to more efficient service? Without the high tech items such as plasma tv i'm sure we can get by, but there may be indirect administrative cost?

    Hmm uniforms? Unneccesary? Wait till one day no uniform then a murderer acting as a nurse come in and treats u.

    There are pros and cons to everything. I'm sure wastage is present in the public service sector, but i'm sure the work they put in more than makes up for it.
    at least now we dun have to subsidize on 1 peanut & a gold faucet...

    but should we wonder how many others are there?

    btw, u see Kill Bill... the nurse with a eye patch also can enter hospital with ease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    as far as i know, u buy paracetamol from hospital ain't any cheaper than you buy from pharmacy like guardian, unless someone wanna tell me that all paracetamol in sg are subsidized before selling.
    exactly. the term heavily subsidized is used by the garmen not me. all the expensive drugs are label as non-standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    ya, try beating mine, i told the triage nurse i got paracetamol allergy and wore a red tag, and the doc prescribe paracetamol to discharge me from A&E.
    LOL...u should've just pop the panadols....
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    haha i also kena drugs that i was allergic to, that is why i got free treatment at A&E

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    Pardon me for saying this. Family members of terminally ill patients will not find Singapore medical system reasonably balance. Patients are denied medication or treatment if they can't settle the payment immediately. A particular govt hospital in the past had experienced many patients defaulted on their payments therefore laid regulations that patients must pay up in full in order to collect their medication.

    Initially, patients can just pay a partial sum of the treatment, but as it treatment progress, it can be observed that the hospital starts demanding patient to pay up in full before they can collect their medication. Medication for such treatments are expensive and can extend over a long period. As a result, patients may experience diffculties in paying up even the partial amount due to dwindling resources. To avoid any loss, patients are therefore required to make full payment upon collection.

    ppl can tok abt medical shield and stuff.. pls it's ain't tat simple and easy
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    So it's true then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student View Post
    In post #30, I had mentioned that there are things I do not agree with.

    What you are asking me is of course OT as far as this thread is concerned. Of course any savings from unnecessary expenses can potentially be used for provision of better care at lower cost. Personally, I do not care much about fanciful carpets, etc.

    However, you must not forget that medicine today is not as simple as only a few decades ago. Today, it is a "medical industry". Singapore is trying hard to be the premier medical hub in SEAsia. Malaysia and Thailand is giving Singapore a run for the money.

    Whether you like it or not, appearences do play a part in attracting "clients". And if one wants to draw patients from the region, then one MAY have to play the marketing game.

    Yah... just like NKF with gold tap...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjourn View Post
    In Australia, medical is free

    In sg, you pay

    In China, you no money, hospital will boot you out even before they see you.
    Eh..medical not free in australia la..have to pay medicare levy every year during tax assessment which is about 5% of your annual income. so the more you earn the more you pay.
    however, iirc, if you have private medical insurance then you don't have to pay medical levy at all.
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    That brings me to the "private medical insurance companies/ medical groups".

    There is a big hoo-hah in Hong Kong at the moment over the professionalism of this group of medical professionals. Did you know that you are getting "limited treatment" when you sign up for these medical groups because they have to "watch the drugs they dispense"? Minimal treatment is always advised and the doctors are "blacklisted" when they overspend the "budgeted amount", they get blacklisted by the organisation.

    Looks like things are getting more and more grim these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akane View Post
    Eh..medical not free in australia la..have to pay medicare levy every year during tax assessment which is about 5% of your annual income. so the more you earn the more you pay.
    however, iirc, if you have private medical insurance then you don't have to pay medical levy at all.
    Thanks akane for the input, at least we are all clear on what is the medical benefits in Aussie land, but saying this, does it mean the patient still have to pay when visiting clinics or hospital even though they have paid the levy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjourn View Post
    Thanks akane for the input, at least we are all clear on what is the medical benefits in Aussie land, but saying this, does it mean the patient still have to pay when visiting clinics or hospital even though they have paid the levy?
    in most cases, you don't have to pay a thing after seeing the doctor. most of the medical centres here have "bulk billing" so after seeing doctor show them your medicare card and then off you go. you will have to go pharmacy to buy your own medicine (with doctor's prescription).
    for some case where the medical centre does not offer bulk billing then you will pay up front first, then go to a medicare office to claim the amount back. but not everytime can claim the full amount back as some medical centre (think going to mount elizabeth to see gp) do charge slightly higher than the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjourn View Post
    Thanks akane for the input, at least we are all clear on what is the medical benefits in Aussie land, but saying this, does it mean the patient still have to pay when visiting clinics or hospital even though they have paid the levy?
    Yes, but they are heavily subsidized by the Medicare system... one which is much much better than our Medisave + Medishield combined.
    From the way I see it, our 20% contribution of CPF (on top of our income tax) is no diff from the income tax of Australia. The only benefit is that you can buy HDB with it / invest in funds.. etc..
    Our model is like that of the states whereby there's the 401k on top of Social security taxs... You can use it to invest but can't touch it. (Don't compare SG to the states, they have healthcare insurances, min. wage laws, and their average pay can be about 2 ~ 4 times ours)

    In Australia, all these taxes are pooled and contributed back to the people by means of medicare, infrastructure building, doughs.... at least to who really needs it. In Singapore, you contribute to CPF (OA, SA) and Medisave... but at what percentage of it can you really utilize? Moreover, there's the minimum sum of 120k to leave inside CPF when you retire... Where does this money really go to? You know it's there, but you can't touch / use it...

    Sorry OOT abit below... just a little bit of illustration of how people are "taken care of" apart from healthcare systems...

    In Australia / UK, citizens / residents are really well covered. They have the "redundancy" system and strong union systems.. to protect employees if case they are to be laid off.

    In Singapore, employers reserve the rights to terminate / retrench the workers by providing a minimal "notice period sum". In the states, there's another term called the furlough and it's a popular method in order to get rid of employees without paying anything. In time to come, this would be made popular in SG too...

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