KM 7D vs 20D

matrixneo · 16th October 2006

Hi, now I'm choosing between KM 7D and Canon 20D...wat I liked abt 7D is the external buttons that allows you to swiftly set to the right settings....but read in many forums saying that 7D has alot of focusing issues (front focus) and unable to take weddings and sports....flash also wash out all the pics.....as for 20D the only complain ppl have is ERR99...so would like to hear the KM7D users here on what they feel about the flash and focusing issues on 7D b4 I jumped into it.

THank you.

Del_CtrlnoAlt · 16th October 2006

sound so 2 year ago...

Galdor · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by matrixneo

Hi, now I'm choosing between KM 7D and Canon 20D...wat I liked abt 7D is the external buttons that allows you to swiftly set to the right settings....but read in many forums saying that 7D has alot of focusing issues (front focus) and unable to take weddings and sports....flash also wash out all the pics.....as for 20D the only complain ppl have is ERR99...so would like to hear the KM7D users here on what they feel about the flash and focusing issues on 7D b4 I jumped into it.

THank you.

Hi bro,

I have used my 7D with bounce flash (3600) to shoot my sister's wedding and the pictures turn out very sharp and good. I wasn't even using a 50mm lens that time and was using the kit lens for the 5D only. I must say that the 7D is one hell of a camera and definitely one of the best in its class. But getting one now may be a problem. Good luck.

Agetan · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by matrixneo

Hi, now I'm choosing between KM 7D and Canon 20D...wat I liked abt 7D is the external buttons that allows you to swiftly set to the right settings....but read in many forums saying that 7D has alot of focusing issues (front focus) and unable to take weddings and sports....flash also wash out all the pics.....as for 20D the only complain ppl have is ERR99...so would like to hear the KM7D users here on what they feel about the flash and focusing issues on 7D b4 I jumped into it.

THank you.

Unable to take wedding??? I would like to know who say this?
I use 7D shooting weddings day in day out... so this thing is not true...

Unable to take sport???
My friends who are sport photographer still in business using this camera?? guess I think the comment is not right either??

Backfocusing is thing in the past (mostly on first batch of the camera)...

Flash problem?? I don't think so too...

Anyway, if you know your gear well enough, it is basically the photographer's job to deliver... Don't blame the gear if one can't do a good job.

Love 7D also mostly on its AS as well as external control.

Good luck...

If you choose 7D or 20D, they are both very competent DSLR... its all come down to which camp you want to go...

Hart

satay16 · 16th October 2006

you know, this thread brings back old memories of me posting in canon and km forums like "what you hate about 7D?", "What you hate about 20D?"

anyway, here are my two historical threads. hope it might help a bit. Was having the exact same dillemma over 7D or 20D.

What you hate about the 20D?

What you hate about 7D?

btw, can i know whether you are a prime person or zoom person? it would help slightly in deciding which one is better for you.

tsan81 · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by matrixneo

so would like to hear the KM7D users here on what they feel about the flash and focusing issues on 7D b4 I jumped into it.

Such issues can be rectified by the service centres.

But if you had laid your hands on any camera with a weaker control, you are stuck with it whenever you hold it... so go manhandle both camera and see for yourself!

In terms of control, I would say 7D's ultimate

, win hands down (and some say pants down).

tsan81 · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by satay16

btw, can i know whether you are a prime person or zoom person? it would help slightly in deciding which one is better for you.

Not sure if there is any canon prime IS lenses.... but any prime on a 7D is virtually|instantly|cheaply|happily an IS lens.

satay16 · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by tsan81

Not sure if there is any canon prime IS lenses.... but any prime on a 7D is virtually|instantly|cheaply|happily an IS lens.

personal opinion: if you are a prime person, i think you would be quite happy using a minolta system. cos currently, zooms for 7D are either good and horrendously expensive, or so-so and acceptably priced.
but minolta's primes are just amazing. they are cheaper when compared to canon, some even better when compare to canon, and also, they look cuter when comapred to canon

. though some might argue that they are hard to find, i think they are just harder to find rather than impossible to find(of course, with the exceptions of some really really rare lens).

matrixneo · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by satay16

What you hate about the 20D?

What you hate about 7D?

thanks for the links..they helps...well..juz sold my 'toy' FZ20...due to noisiness of the sensor...I do alot of low lighting shoots....zoom as well...thanks anyway...helps alot in my decision making

matrixneo · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by Agetan

Unable to take wedding??? I would like to know who say this?
I use 7D shooting weddings day in day out... so this thing is not true...

Unable to take sport???
My friends who are sport photographer still in business using this camera?? guess I think the comment is not right either??

Backfocusing is thing in the past (mostly on first batch of the camera)...

Flash problem?? I don't think so too...

thanks

...well...I really love the external controls of 7D as I do alot of event shots...prize presentation on stage and sports...well the other forumers mentioned that the wedding shots are washed out by its built-in flash and flash inconsistency...and what is being said here is true...if thats the case..then use an external and bounce

....btw...so if there's anything wrong or need any cleaning can juz go to the sony rite? or the KMSC is still ard?

matrixneo · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt

sound so 2 year ago...

bo bian lah....pocket always got holes and too many hobbies...now cutting down all except photography...to keep memory shots of my little rascal... :P

matrixneo · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by Galdor

But getting one now may be a problem. Good luck.

can you elaborate? wat kind of problem? u mean hard to find one selling or if buy now after 2 years body and parts may have problems that cant be solved? thanks.

Johnston · 16th October 2006

Originally Posted by matrixneo

can you elaborate? wat kind of problem? u mean hard to find one selling or if buy now after 2 years body and parts may have problems that cant be solved? thanks.

what he meant is that its pretty diff in getting a 7D nowadays. No new, hardly a 2nd hand.

codling · 17th October 2006

Originally Posted by matrixneo

thanks for the links..they helps...well..juz sold my 'toy' FZ20...due to noisiness of the sensor...I do alot of low lighting shoots....zoom as well...thanks anyway...helps alot in my decision making

had the pleasure of using the "fluzi" fz20 too.
and for the same reason as you, i sold off to get a aps-c sensor...
and i m proud to be a dynax user. 5D to be exact...

after the switch, i would have thought i missed the 430mm f2.8 leica lens...
actually, after getting the 70-210f4 aka beercan, i dont miss it...

matrixneo · 17th October 2006

Originally Posted by Johnston

what he meant is that its pretty diff in getting a 7D nowadays. No new, hardly a 2nd hand.

yup..I know no more new and 2nd hand hard to find...but if its a 2nd hand....wats the worth now body w/o lens? any idea?

matrixneo · 17th October 2006

Originally Posted by codling

had the pleasure of using the "fluzi" fz20 too.
and for the same reason as you, i sold off to get a aps-c sensor...
and i m proud to be a dynax user. 5D to be exact...
after the switch, i would have thought i missed the 430mm f2.8 leica lens...
actually, after getting the 70-210f4 aka beercan, i dont miss it...

yah.....jus imagine 430 f2.8 think its the best even f30 and f50 dun have f2.8 at such a range....and heard that it will cost abt 10k for a 2.8 of tat range...well..got to move on....

thanks for sharing

Del_CtrlnoAlt · 17th October 2006

B&S now got 1 selling for 1k, nick is Ratboy...

the funny thing about minolta stuff is, things actually appreciate in price.. something like Rolex... haha... imagine i bought my VC-7D when 7D was out, its about 350, imagine the price now is 600... unbelieveable... then Lenses now also start to appreciate due to Sony's pricing strategy...

yokechye · 17th October 2006

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt

B&S now got 1 selling for 1k, nick is Ratboy...

the funny thing about minolta stuff is, things actually appreciate in price.. something like Rolex... haha... imagine i bought my VC-7D when 7D was out, its about 350, imagine the price now is 600... unbelieveable... then Lenses now also start to appreciate due to Sony's pricing strategy...

can be good can be bad.. but i can only think of the bad things... poor ppl like me dun hv money to buy

Del_CtrlnoAlt · 17th October 2006

Originally Posted by yokechye

can be good can be bad.. but i can only think of the bad things... poor ppl like me dun hv money to buy

good if u wanna change system, bad is like me now, wanna buy 50mm macro must pay almost 900... siaoz...

matrixneo · 17th October 2006

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt

B&S now got 1 selling for 1k, nick is Ratboy.....

yup....tats the 1 Im aiming....plus his 24-85 lens...will see whether can get a bundle meal frm him...

16th October 2006	#1
matrixneo Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hougang Posts: 390	KM 7D vs 20D Hi, now I'm choosing between KM 7D and Canon 20D...wat I liked abt 7D is the external buttons that allows you to swiftly set to the right settings....but read in many forums saying that 7D has alot of focusing issues (front focus) and unable to take weddings and sports....flash also wash out all the pics.....as for 20D the only complain ppl have is ERR99...so would like to hear the KM7D users here on what they feel about the flash and focusing issues on 7D b4 I jumped into it. THank you.

16th October 2006	#2
Del_CtrlnoAlt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Outside the Dry Box. Posts: 16,342	Re: KM 7D vs 20D sound so 2 year ago... __________________ Logging Off Permanently. Those who need to contact me will know where to contact me.

16th October 2006	#5
satay16 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,977	Re: KM 7D vs 20D you know, this thread brings back old memories of me posting in canon and km forums like "what you hate about 7D?", "What you hate about 20D?" anyway, here are my two historical threads. hope it might help a bit. Was having the exact same dillemma over 7D or 20D. What you hate about the 20D? What you hate about 7D? btw, can i know whether you are a prime person or zoom person? it would help slightly in deciding which one is better for you.

17th October 2006	#17
Del_CtrlnoAlt Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Outside the Dry Box. Posts: 16,342	Re: KM 7D vs 20D B&S now got 1 selling for 1k, nick is Ratboy... the funny thing about minolta stuff is, things actually appreciate in price.. something like Rolex... haha... imagine i bought my VC-7D when 7D was out, its about 350, imagine the price now is 600... unbelieveable... then Lenses now also start to appreciate due to Sony's pricing strategy... __________________ Logging Off Permanently. Those who need to contact me will know where to contact me.