Last edited by kenrai; 4th October 2006 at 10:49 PM.
The idea is we put our 'best' photos up for the firing squad and roll with the punches. Take note: BEST for everyone to see. If you don't want a C&C, just indicate : just for sharing; otherwise, don't blame the world for pouncing on you. Reality check: the world ain't kind. And no amount of whining will change that -- working on your photos will.
And I have to disagree with you that ugly language is worse than ugly pictures. A single picture moves people to action. Language, well, you need to read and understand it before it moves you.
It's actually very easy to talk about the work in a civil manner. A forum is not a boxing ring. There is no need for gloves. It's easy to say that the work is underexposed, flat etc... but there is no need to attack the photographer.
Of course, if he wants to be completely rude and uncivilised on an open forum, I have the right to tell him off. When I see people cutting queues or spitting on the pavement, I tell them off. This is not very different.
I am a primarily kinestatic person.
There's a lot to learn about someone from their repeated actions and responses.
I've come to the conclusion that DP merely seeks attention and an undeserved acknowledgement of his presence. Take for example, he likes to say he can't understand why some people would take such pictures... but how can that be when his own pictures aren't any better? Thus, he is not only rude, but dishonest as well. Dishonesty is a sure sign that one has something like a personal weakness to hide or divert attention from.
So, what's the motivation behind his behaviour? Well take your pick... good intention, sheer vanity or mere venting of frustrations with his own life. Which do you think is more likely?
Btw, your pictures are not so bad, but your mentality SUCKS big time. And that comment, I am being extremely honest.
Nobody is saying that direct-to-the-face-harsh comments are undesirable. One can criticise VERY EFFECTIVELY with kids gloves if one wishes to.
Contrary to what someone wrote disparagingly in another thread about "educating" another person, giving critique is a form of education. When one gives a critique, one is trying to educate another so that the other can learn and make better pictures.
Granted, a receptive 'student" can learn from any teacher. But a teacher can be a lot more effective if he/she has better communication skills. But some "teachers" just do not care a damn sh1t, and prefer to use humiliation as a tool.
bwilly, you are so correct, I absolutely have no friends, that is why I am online torment the likes of you. By the way, if you and yours are the only people around, I am better off with no friends.
btw, your pictures are getting worse and worse, maybe, you are incapable of learning and improving, how sad.
Aiyo... it's very hard to respect anyone that is so pointless and nonsensical at his age.
DP used to say my pictures were so bad and all that. And now he is saying they are not so bad. DP has no intention to 'be a man' or stand by his words. He's just here for fun and to make fun. And since we are certain that his behaviour does not come from good intentions, then we know its just an indication of bad character and upbringing.
Don't take him so seriously and it'll be ok.
If DP was in his teens or just got out of army, may not be so bad. But frankly, i think the teens today seem far more mature.
But how old is he? 40+ ??!!! Wanna tell us, or should i ask your "friends"? Hehe
I guess he's trying very hard not to be a typical 'uncle'.
So perhaps we should be more understanding and play along with him.
ok lah. let's not OT.
Of course, there are better pictures of Veronica where her facial expressions and pose were truly erection-inducing. But i'm sure for the photographer, he saw that in his pictures... just as I got that feeling from my pictures of her. hehe
if that's all what everybody here sees in a girl, that is very sad.
One thing I never liked about taking photographs of pretty girls that 1/2 the equation is missing: personality. Maybe to each her own, but I find personality more attractive than just physical looks alone.
I would blatantly say if I were to shoot a girl, I would not bother about trying to show how tillitating she is or what kind of attitude to portray. I'd simply concentrate on the basics : Lines, curves, light and shadow.
Well, to everyone's discern.
Last edited by Wisp; 14th October 2006 at 02:47 PM.
Wisp, your comments are indicative of an undeveloped thought.
You bring out textbook rights and wrongs, which everyone knows.
If you wanna help the world change to become a better place, then you need to think harder. You need to live life over and over again. You need experience. From the sound of it, either you are very young or have been deluding yourself for years.
If we cannot realise that everyone has a right to own a camera and use it, then we are truly deluded and blinded.
By everyone i mean, the abstract artist, the porn fan, the filmmaker, the wanna-be professional photog, the uncle with grandchildren, and the yuppie who doesn't have to save money for a car. You know how I know most humans are full of contradictions and double standards? Pictures of kids are always wonderful. No matter how badly taken. Nobody cares to criticise the photographer. But when it comes to pretty girls and wanna be models, everyone is so full of opinions. If there are among you those who look down on the average man with a dick for a brain, then you shouldnt come to places where the mainstream hang out, where the heartlander hangs out. You should go to your prim and proper palace and high society jaunts and stick your noses in the air with their kind.
Remember, remember who are you to tell people they can be better?
If society and history can be wrong, then you can be wrong.
Last edited by benedium; 14th October 2006 at 03:05 PM.
what's wrong with Wisp's comments? what he wrote makes absolute sense to me. what you wrote is nonsense. look through the threads in portraits section and tell me how many pictures actually show beyond superficial poses and make ups? you should go out and see the world more, the world isn't as shallow as bikinis and sexy poses.
add: i see you edited your post, what's up?
wah blur already. So are u agreeing with me or agreeing with wisp that people shouldnt be dickheads and follow rules of photography?
I say people have a right to be dickheads if they wanna be. And nobody has a right to say that being a dickhead is worse than being and arty farty pretender.