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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    if the pictures are sux and below, i just don't comment

    but, normally my pictures also got no comments....
    i can't find any fault with your pictures... flawless...

    next time i'll use this word...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    eh my teacher did tat b4, say my drawing sucks... then tear it up & throw into the dustbin....

    anyway, it works both ways, i also scared to give critics nowadays, cos just few weeks ago there is 1 guy who blast me all the way till he got banned when i just give him advice to improve his pics... while there those who scared to post, there is those who scared to critic... and DP even thou kena blast until no tomorrow already, still continue critic...
    DP got blast so many times that even doctor cannot cure, scare also to see him...hahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    if the pictures are sux and below, i just don't comment

    but, normally my pictures also got no comments....
    urs did not need to comments liao for the marcro..............too good.
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    how do the general public will react if this is shown on the news? teacher tearing students art work that is not up to their standard? is that the best way to help improve the student's work?

    we dont live alone you know, while artist i feel, have the tendancy to have their own mind set, but i dont think when they go to art exibition by other artist, be it new up coming artist or the famous one, words like this sucks, its rubbish etc will be heard.
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    Generally I feel critiques should come with 'why' things don't work. If it works and it's just a complement generally you don't need to say why because the evidence is in the post itself. The worst people are people who give out random criticisms without even knowing why the images don't work.

    If in doubt, at least put "no mojo" or something like that. Else it's nothing more than a hit-and-run.
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    shout less, shoot more.

    you can buy better gear but you can't buy a better eye

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    shout less, shoot more.

    you can buy better gear but you can't buy a better eye

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    Quote Originally Posted by synapseman View Post
    I'm of the opinion that you don't have to be an expert in the subject matter in order to give feedback. Just like how I'm nowhere near David Beckham's skill when it comes to football, but that doesn't prevent me from saying he's a lousy player. In fact, I think some of the best critics are everyday laypeople: Either they like, or don't like.

    Of course, they're not too good at giving any constructive criticisms. That's where knowledgeable(??) folk here come in. Frankly, I also thought that bikini shoot series was terrible, but I'd refrain from using words such as "suck". That's like a hit below the belt. If you really want to give CC, then using such words could offend people and cause them to turn defensive.

    Or even worse, cause such dejection and hurt feelings that they give up on photography altogether (maybe that's the actual intention - to keep out the "wannabes"?).

    You can be perfectly frank in your opinions. But that doesn't mean you have to be rude and arrogant about it.
    A laymen's view is; the "feel" and an attempt at understanding what he/she sees. Many times, the layman do not know really what went on behind the image creation except the way the image makes him/her "feels" or "indifferent".

    A fellow photog's view? - Subjected to his/her experience, knowledge, understanding, and most importantly, expectation of what an "ideal" image might be, based on the creator's intentions. In varying degrees, there is no absolutes, just opinions. When I was in uni, one photog professor cannot agree with another photog professor on many images, but they are both technically competent and artistically creative!

    My personal view? - Depends on my mood when I view, my experience with that "theme" of image, the technical competence exhibited in the image, the details (or lack of it) in the image depending on the intention of the creator, plus some crap that occassionally found out of the blue. In some varying degrees, my comments may range of single words, to whole paragraphs of "making it better" notes.

    So in short, ya, yes, definitely, they are just opinions.

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    basically the problem is not being able to say "it sux!" (or words to that effect) with as much wit and eloquence as simon cowell. many have tried, none have succeeded.

    he gets away with it, earns $$$$$$$ and he's usually right anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    eh my teacher did tat b4, say my drawing sucks... then tear it up & throw into the dustbin....
    Thank God for that.

    Otherwise we would have lost you to Art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    i can't find any fault with your pictures... flawless...

    next time i'll use this word...
    next time i'll invite DP for some proper C&C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    The trouble is not our critics are harshest.

    The trouble is we don't have enough harsh critics.

    They are like monks who medidate in high mountains among the clouds and rarely come down.

    you never surprise me with your insight, you are the high monk. admit it, there's no running away

    seriously there are very few critiques in this forum, they are mainly just comments. being quite active in critique corner myself, i must say that i have not given any critique, only comments which are my own opinions.

    a real critique, at least for me, aims to dig out the good and bad points about a work to make them apparent to the creator, so as to engage the creator to reflect, analyse and make his own judgement. the use strong words is never an issue. in my previous school tutors sometimes make critiques on each other's thought processes, that's even 'worse' than making critiques on works. thought processes define a person, trashing a thought process IS trashing a person. and yes they exchange intellectual insults like nobody's business, but at the end of the day, what everyone takes back is the opportunity to reflect on one's self, and each is given the opportunity to become more committed to his/her beliefs OR the opportunity to trash his/her beliefs and move on.

    with that i really find the issue about the word 'suck' laughable, and i don't understand why until today, there are still people who don't understand that comments directed on pictures are nothing more than comments directed on pictures, not people. works have lives of their own, once they are exhibited in the open, they become sources that affect, affecting people's thoughts. as such it is only natural for responses to be made on the works, whether positive or negative (as the creator choose to see it, not the person standing beside the creator)

    the only way to prevent a work from getting a comment such as 'suck' is to not exhibit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post

    the only way to prevent a work from getting a comment such as 'suck' is to not exhibit it.
    or shoot better pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisp View Post
    While all this is happening, I'm having an oporto burger hot on bacon and eggs, the prepertrator of those photographs is running off to give it a go again with another lass, doc and DP are probably looking forward to a cold one or mozart in red lights with papers in the trays.

    And here I pop back and go:


    Holy COW!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jdredd View Post
    or shoot better pictures.
    then you get "suck less"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdredd View Post
    or shoot better pictures.
    seriously, every piece of work has their 'sucky' side, it's not just improving one's skills, but also one's perspective

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    you never surprise me with your insight, you are the high monk. admit it, there's no running away
    There is no mountain higher than the celestial Fujiyama where you are at present.

    And there is no monk higher than those Shinto high monks in the Land of Rising Sun whom you one day will aspire to become one.

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    next time, photo critics must write at least 500 words paragraph to be constructive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    you never surprise me with your insight, you are the high monk. admit it, there's no running away

    seriously there are very few critiques in this forum, they are mainly just comments. being quite active in critique corner myself, i must say that i have not given any critique, only comments which are my own opinions.

    a real critique, at least for me, aims to dig out the good and bad points about a work to make them apparent to the creator, so as to engage the creator to reflect, analyse and make his own judgement. the use strong words is never an issue. in my previous school tutors sometimes make critiques on each other's thought processes, that's even 'worse' than making critiques on works. thought processes define a person, trashing a thought process IS trashing a person. and yes they exchange intellectual insults like nobody's business, but at the end of the day, what everyone takes back is the opportunity to reflect on one's self, and each is given the opportunity to become more committed to his/her beliefs OR the opportunity to trash his/her beliefs and move on.

    with that i really find the issue about the word 'suck' laughable, and i don't understand why until today, there are still people who don't understand that comments directed on pictures are nothing more than comments directed on pictures, not people. works have lives of their own, once they are exhibited in the open, they become sources that affect, affecting people's thoughts. as such it is only natural for responses to be made on the works, whether positive or negative (as the creator choose to see it, not the person standing beside the creator)

    the only way to prevent a work from getting a comment such as 'suck' is to not exhibit it.
    maybe the Administrator can ban the work "suck" and replace it with "****"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    There is no mountain higher than the celestial Fujiyama where you are at present.

    And there is no monk higher than those Shinto high monks in the Land of Rising Sun whom you one day will aspire to become one.
    er, there's no mountain by the name of Fujiyama by the way, if it's Fuji-san you're referring to, it's too dirty to be celestial and there are Shinto priests, 'Shinto monks' is a wrong desrciption, which i don't aspire to become one anyway

    ahh ... Sion the high monk must be speaking between the lines again ...

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