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    Please read the part about balance of probabilities again.

    And I'm not saying that it will be 100% read as a pornographic term - but you can't deny that that possibility exists that someone (and indeed some have) read it that way.

    So if there's a shoot which says "Shoot Live Sex session - S$50/person" and a face shot of a beautiful model is depicted - by your reasoning, there won't be anything wrong since a photo of live sex was not depicted.

    And I never relied on the wiki definition in any part of my posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by sequitur
    well if so you say, based on the wiki definition (yes i'm over 18 and over 21 in case anybody wants to shoot me down), he shouldn't be showing a model, he should be showing what a brazillian creampie is - as according to the wiki definition, which i suppose by any standards should look the same worldwide, unless you're dysfunctional (spelling?).

    and so in context, he showed a model rather than the wiki definition. so adjust the context to what he means then... according to what you're saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sequitur
    let's just put it this way, in simple language:

    not everybody watches porn, pervs.

    and thanks for spreading the info on pornography here, i'm sure many minors would benefit from it.
    It is mandatory that a under-18 should check the conotations every word he uses in his class essays with a search engine. Words like eat, suck and creampie etc will be avoided by him.

    Of course thanks to the search for the usage of proper English words he would have been to every porn site in the net after his A level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    It is mandatory that a under-18 should check the conotations every word he uses in his class essays with a search engine. Words like eat, suck and creampie etc will be avoided by him.

    Of course thanks to the search for the usage of proper English words he would have been to every porn site in the net after his A level.
    ya man... and he might even go into some other exotic sites...

    damn no wonder i dunno wats creampie, cos i never took A levels...
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    Now I cannot imagine how the public will react if Angie Cakes come out a new pie with cream coating and show in their mass advertisements which shout : ...... You'll love our CREAMPIES
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    "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted."

    It is entirely possible that the word "creampie" was used by the threadstarter in all innocence.

    Those who mistook it to have a naughty connotation are the ones who have, erm, pie in their faces.

    On the other hand, to say that the word does not exist, or that it has no naughty connotation, is to deny reality.

    I think the word of wisdom above says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetShooter
    "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted."

    It is entirely possible that the word "creampie" was used by the threadstarter in all innocence.

    Those who mistook it to have a naughty connotation are the ones who have, erm, pie in their faces.

    On the other hand, to say that the word does not exist, or that it has no naughty connotation, is to deny reality.

    I think the word of wisdom above says it all.
    while some prefer to think in black and white, i like to think the grey inbetween counts as well..

    you can have your purity, your innocence, but is to have knowledge to simply be corrupted?
    to not have knowledge, is that to be blissfuly unaware? or ignorant?
    [otoh, knowledge is power, and power corrupts absolutely...]

    as far as i'm concerned, you can have the knowledge, but you can also be 'pure' in your thoughts and intentions - you just are 'more aware' - it depends on what you do with your knowledge, and perhaps, how mature you are as a person in yourself.

    while i do freely admit to having a fair amount of knowledge of pornography [both on a personal and on a professional level, and hey, its the modern world, why deny a possibly interesting aspect?], i am also aware of context, as i'm sure anyone else here is.
    so, while i saw 'cream pie' - two things came to mind: yes, the porn, but also - 'common sense' - which is a little used feature in todays society - acted as well - where am i? whats the likely level of audience? am i really about to see a truly hardcore pornographic post? so...
    i'm also left thinking 'oh, this poster has used this phrase in such and such context'.
    fine.
    and i would have left it at that.

    sometimes, you can add a little joke, and as the OP has already stated, he is fine with the jokes.
    Its just a little 'nudge nudge wink wink', and everyone can safely indulge in that without giving the game away.

    so, i think, great, have the knowledge, have the awareness, and have the laugh, but know when and where to use it and indulge in it, and when, perhaps, not to [within reason - who wants to be serious all their life?].

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    Quote Originally Posted by fattyboonboon
    Hi everyone, just to let everyone catch up on my friendly debate with wisp on a particular thread which I am not going to name: whether the word creampie truly exists and its very meaning is what they depict in the sex industry.

    My stand is: the word does not exist, and since it does not exist, logically it cannot possibly mean anything.

    Oh yeah, anyone please feel free to try and edit those websites? Wait, you mean you can’t? I wonder why.

    Type into Google and read the results you say? I did, and oops, some misspelling in there!
    Oh my, I accidentally typed in “jkdjfkd” and hey, look at what I found! 3 pages full of results. But since it is ok that we do not discern and double check what is correct, I learn a new word today! And it is jkdjfkd.
    Same train of thoughts, but how absurd one is.

    Wonder why you can’t find many resources to support your argument? Because it is a word coined by the sex industry to sell their products to us and that “word” pretty much stayed inside this niche network. They try to drill it into our head, wanting us to believe it means what they want us to believe it means, for the purpose of selling their products to us. But the word does not exist; neither does its artificial meaning.


    If ever I am face with the day that my little girl comes to me asking me what does the word “creampie” actually means, I am faced with 2 options:
    a) I can tell her “Dear, the word does not exist, and reasonably there is no meaning to it”.
    b) Or I can tell her “Dear, it means <<insert whatever sexual connotation the “word” is associated with here>> and it is so because the porn websites say so”.
    I know I have the courage to pick option (a). Do you?

    I am taught proper English by my English teacher holding a dictionary, not while he was surfing on porn websites. Whatever abomination of an English word some dirty old man - one greasy hand counting wads of money, the other randomly mixing and matching words in the dictionary – has coined in the sex industry, please do us all a favor and keep it there. Your decision to proliferate and defend a wrong notion only leads to a sad case of the blind leading the blind, with more and more being misguided.




    Frankly, I planned to leave you out of this interesting debate. But since you posted something that arouses my interest, I am extending my sincere invitation for you to join in. Now I am going to assume that you are an adult, and that you are capable of formulating coherent thoughts, then may I ask: why are some of us ignorant?

    Pretty much raising the same ambiguity as in the example you have raised:


    To conclude, why am I even doing this? Because I advocate freedom. You are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I don’t impose mine on you; you don’t impose yours on me. When you jump on the bandwagon to crucify others for your belief that you cannot even validate and lacking the commonsense to question yourself, I jump on my bandwagon to crucify you. If you learn tolerance, no one is jumping on any bandwagons. Someone has already kindly pointed out that “creampie” can potentially offend; by beating on a dead horse is purely an act of adding more fuel to the fire.

    If all of you enjoy standing by watching others being strong armed into submitting to other people demands – demands based on false truth – through means of stirring up emotions among the general public, then go ahead and burn them on the stake. The only thing I can do is pray that the same fate does not befall upon you.

    If you continue to find a need to perpetuate your idea of what creampie is, I can’t stop you, but don’t overstep your line.

    Dear Boon,
    as a concerned parent myself, I can see where you are coming from. However, the position you have taken is akin to sticking your head in the sand. It pre-supposes that the English language is fixed and not adaptable. Fortunately (or unfortunately, as the case may be), this is obviously false. The language itself is dynamic, and words enter into common usage and take on certain meanings long before they enter into the official dictionaries. This does not therefore mean that these words do not then possess the meanings that people attach to them, as you so imply. Let me illustrate with 2 examples;

    1) Surf. Long before the advent of the internet, the term 'surf' already existed and had its own meaning. If you had uttered the word 'surfing' in the '80s to someone, the mental image connotated is one of Hawaii Five-O and crashing waves, is it not? Fast forward to 2006. If you told somebody you were 'surfing', is the generally accepted meaning not totally different? And rightly so, as many more people 'surf' on the internet than on waves. Definitions provided below for your reference;

    surf  /sɜrf/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[surf] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

    –noun 1. the swell of the sea that breaks upon a shore or upon shoals.
    2. the mass or line of foamy water caused by the breaking of the sea upon a shore, esp. a shallow or sloping shore.
    –verb (used without object) 3. to ride a surfboard.
    4. to float on the crest of a wave toward shore.
    5. to swim, play, or bathe in the surf.
    6. to search haphazardly, as for information on a computer network or an interesting program on television.
    –verb (used with object) 7. to ride a surfboard on: We surfed every big wave in sight.
    8. to search through (a computer network or TV channels) for information or entertainment.


    Another example I will use will no doubt touch on sensitivities, but please do not take this as being prejudicial to any persons, strictly used as an example only;

    2) Gay. The ancient meaning of 'gay' is far removed from its present generally used meaning, would you not agree?

    gay  /geɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[gey] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb

    –adjective 1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.
    2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.
    3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.
    4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: The baron is a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies.
    5. homosexual.
    6. of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.
    –noun 7. a homosexual person, esp. a male.
    –adverb 8. in a gay manner.

    Usage Note: The word gay is now standard in its use to refer to homosexuals, in large part because it is the term that most gay people prefer in referring to themselves. Gay is distinguished from homosexual primarily by the emphasis it places on the cultural and social aspects of homosexuality as opposed to sexual practice. Many writers reserve gay for males, but the word is also used to refer to both sexes; when the intended meaning is not clear in the context, the phrase gay and lesbian may be used. Like the other names of social groups derived from adjectives (for example, Black), gay may be regarded as offensive when used as a noun to refer to particular individuals, as in There were two gays on the panel; here phrasing such as gay members should be used instead. But there is no objection to the use of the noun in the plural to refer collectively either to gay men or to gay men and lesbians, so long as it is clear whether men alone or both men and women are being discussed.


    Your contention that the disputed word in question and its attached meaning cannot exist, merely because it cannot be found in a dictionary is so patently ridiculous I can scarcely believe an educated person like yourself could even countenance saying so. Look up the word "MRT" on the dictionary. Is there such a word? Yet, if I told you you I was on the "MRT", does it not instantly have an attached meaning for you? In other words, "MRT" can be used legitimately to convey a meaning, one that is broadly understood. Just because is does not exist in an official dictionary does not diminish its ability to carry that meaning. It only means I can't use it in Scrabble! If your daughter reads someone's blog, and finds the word 'sianz' being bandied around, will your position be that the word does not exist and possesses no meaning because it is not found in an official dictionary? You'll be laughed out of town.

    I sense from your long note that this subject has somewhat touched a raw nerve with you. Unfortunately your thinking about shielding your children by ignoring what's out there will merely confound the problem. Far from being brave, may I suggest that ignoring it is the least courageous way of dealing with the issue."If Mommy or Daddy won't give me the answers, I'm going to Google it myself.....". Lo and behold, they will find the Google answer, one that is unpalatable to you, but the worse part is that you are no longer in control of that information. In the end, if something is out there and you feign ignorance, you only end up destroying your own credibility and your child's trust. Far better that you act as the balanced conduit for information ("its not in the dictionary honey, but some bad folk use it on the internet...."), however difficult that information is for you to deal with, and frame it in such a way that your child is not misled.
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    "Creampie"... wanted to ask nice to eat or not & got what flavours Until I read e essay.

    Does it matter so much if the word is in the dictionary or not? I think as long as the word is recognized by many people, it should be ok.

    Like the word "Singlish". It was never a word in the dictionary last time. Been its so commonly used and recognized that Oxford added into their dictionary.

    Who knows, "Creampie" may be added in future!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkw
    Just because is does not exist in an official dictionary does not diminish its ability to carry that meaning. It only means I can't use it in Scrabble!
    very true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt
    ya man... and he might even go into some other exotic sites...

    damn no wonder i dunno wats creampie, cos i never took A levels...
    Thanks to your lack of an A level education your mind is untainted.

    I was not so lucky. I failed my A level becuase I spent too much time with search engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    Thanks to your lack of an A level education your mind is untainted.

    I was not so lucky. I failed my A level becuase I spent too much time with search engines.
    Thank god i am pure... I can go heaven...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt
    After cheesecake, u can proceed to creamcheesepie...
    After creamcheesepie it's cream curry puffs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    After creamcheesepie it's cream curry puffs?
    Curry Cheese Cream Puffs.
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    This thread is really going for essay competition, what are the rewards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drudkh
    This thread is really going for essay competition, what are the rewards?
    CS Scholar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drudkh
    This thread is really going for essay competition, what are the rewards?
    Curry Cheese Cream Puffs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drudkh
    This thread is really going for essay competition, what are the rewards?
    "The Cleanest Mind in CS" Award Trophy I suppose.

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    Wa! CS scholarship? and what kind of puff is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    "The Cleanest Mind in CS" Award Trophy I suppose.
    This sounds more like it, so is Canon or Nikon sponsoring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreetShooter
    "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted."

    It is entirely possible that the word "creampie" was used by the threadstarter in all innocence.

    Those who mistook it to have a naughty connotation are the ones who have, erm, pie in their faces.

    On the other hand, to say that the word does not exist, or that it has no naughty connotation, is to deny reality.

    I think the word of wisdom above says it all.
    Are we here making mountains out of creampies?

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