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    i've been asked by TL to repost up this series again. those shots in my flickr. just give me ur comments to how i can do this properly. if it's against the law, i'll definitely remove. and i'm learning this with an open mind.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/drumma/tags/voyeurism/

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    Yes indeed...in the original format in Portraits and Poses. No linking, same wordings please

    Experts will advise you on how to go about doing this type of photography in Singapore.

    Thanks

    PS: for those who have stand up or encouraged him so far...It will be good to encourage him to repost the thread in the exact format he did before he delete it himself.

    I think the discussion will be better in context. Cos we raised issues, he reacts after he post it in the original format. It will be best he post it in the exact same words, the exact same picture order etc....If you have any problems to reproduce the same words to get the correct tone...I have a print screen to assist you. Just 90-95% in closeness will do.

    Alternatively, you can ask the admin to repost the thread.
    Last edited by Tuck Loong; 23rd September 2006 at 11:21 AM.

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    Having seen the pics, I do not think that they are in contravention with the publication act that you mention. (But I am not a judge of court).

    But if they would have been taken without the model consent then we could assume that the photographer has molested the modesty of the model. Since it has already been clarified, it is not here the case! So Amen !

    The law is the same for everyone! And the law is applied and enforced by the State. IT can use the help of its citizens but in no situation its citizens can substitute themselves to the state to enforce the law and judge in its place!!!

    SO thank you for reminding us the law of the publication act. But you can frankly cut it there!!! In your quality of Tuck Loong, member of this forum, you do not have the authority to judge this kind of matter and bring down the spirit of this community!

    You can put away your Zorro mask and got back taking some pleasant, artistic and intersting pictures.

    This is the week end and it is sunny outside! Do not miss the opportunity !
    Even if I do not agree with you, I will always fight for you to have your say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumma
    i've been asked by TL to repost up this series again. those shots in my flickr. just give me ur comments to how i can do this properly. if it's against the law, i'll definitely remove. and i'm learning this with an open mind.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/drumma/tags/voyeurism/
    Sorry pal, only have time to view through your new link.

    The 2 offending pictures in the original post cant be found any more (which in my opinion, might not have gotten the consent of the model)

    Could you really assist on this matter and post the exact same pictures, same words in portrait and poses again?

    It would really help to be honest and have integrity on this matter.

    If you do not wanna post that 2 pictures that started this all. Then kindly admit that you realised those picture were wrong and have taken steps not to repeat the same mistakes again.You also owe me a big apology for making me a focal point and being called names and a big thank you for reminding you that you have broken the law...save your butt man

    Thanks
    Last edited by Tuck Loong; 23rd September 2006 at 12:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck Loong
    Yes. Glad you have clarified. You should post that series up again.

    Many photojournalists, lawyers, public prosecutors, and women activists who are Clubsnap members would definitely wanna see the followup of this series and discussion.

    It would be best to post them up again? So those people can make a sound judgement for themselves as well.

    And the admin should post a statement on this soon.
    WHy don't you start from yourself? Since you're so against it. Why don't you alert them? Why don't you bring them in and start the whole damn thing? If you can't bring yourself to start it then leave it as it is and just back off. Your sense of sarcasm is highly not appreciated espcially by me. I see this as a senseless point of argument based on personal preferences.

    since this is here. may as well.....+1 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Lim
    WHy don't you start from yourself? Since you're so against it. Why don't you alert them? Why don't you bring them in and start the whole damn thing? If you can't bring yourself to start it then leave it as it is and just back off. Your sense of sarcasm is highly not appreciated espcially by me. I see this as a senseless point of argument based on personal preferences.

    since this is here. may as well.....+1 again.
    Why dont u just wait and see if he repost again and decide whether you would wanna support him after seeing his original post with the 2 original offending pictures?

    For the record, I am totally against that 2 orignal offending picture being posted here. If those pictures are acceptable to the community here, its time to leave Clubsnap for good.

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    #1st post on implicating a person. "subject is established"
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck Loong
    Hi vince123123 and the rest of concerned fellow photographers,

    If you are interested to view the pictures. Its best you contact the photographer himself, Drumma

    I have nothing against shooting controversial pictures, only against posting/exhibiting in places where there are a lot of young people around. It should not be seen as a norm and young people should not be encouraged to follow such trends.

    Drumma must be a young chap. Hence, we should exercise a consultative approach to educate him on this matter. I am sure he has learnt a very valuable lesson on this matter. There is a lot of difference between talking and putting things into action. You can critique others or even put down others but when you show pictures like that. You have to be responsible for any consequences.

    I am not posting anymore on this matter. Since any action will attract unnecessary attention.

    Cheers and have a nice day,
    You have now established the identitiy of the person involved within your discussion.


    #2nd post on implicating others to derive a judgement on the subject within the 1st post. making a 3rd party aware of what is happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck Loong
    For those whom do not know what happened or have viewed his works that is questionable. Please refrain from taking sides. It will only create more problems for Drumma by directing unnecessary attention on what he has done...

    Remember this guys. Even though the moderator has removed the offending thread. It does not meant he has not posted before and it does not mean he has not committed a offence by posting what he did. Ignorance is not a effective excuse.

    It will be best to just let this be a postive lesson to him and let him move on.

    #3rd post Subject and a possible few are subjected to viable implications of slander and possibly tort.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck Loong
    Well if you guys think that shooting downblouse, upskirts photos of women can be encouraged and showing pictures of women bending over showing half her breast, panties being exposed in closeup format should be encouraged to the young. I seriously question the morality of the photographers here.

    What happens if a group of young photographers learn from Drumma and go around shooting women unawared and call that art? When they are questioned by the women, they answered back and say we are a bunch of artists...we can do whatever we want.

    Ponder and think about it. Drumma, if you lied to others and shown them pictures other than the ones u have shown here. You better be pressurised and ozing blood from your nose.

    You cannot post pictures like what you have done and have titles like Voyeurism-Can I take a peek....and still sleep well thinking you are right, have done the correct thing and its art.

    Recap of what others thought after reading your original Message (from Email and Print screen)

    Yezrah has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - voyeurism.
    can i take a peep? - in the Portraits and Poses forum of ClubSNAP.

    This thread is located at:
    http://forums.clubsnap.com/showthrea...9&goto=newpost

    Here is the message that has just been posted:
    ***************
    Please stop whatever you are doing for this series. You are only trying to get
    yourself into trouble.
    ***************
    #post 4, implications of veering the common man's perception on the nature of the case brought up to a standpoint in which is not subjected to a mutual viewpoint thus possibily creating a shift in perception on the neutral standpoint of the images.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck Loong
    Yes. Glad you have clarified. You should post that series up again.

    Many photojournalists, lawyers, public prosecutors, and women activists who are Clubsnap members would definitely wanna see the followup of this series and discussion.

    It would be best to post them up again? So those people can make a sound judgement for themselves as well.

    And the admin should post a statement on this soon.
    Established a understandably malicious attempt on subject and subject's reputation.

    Would you like me to go on any further? Since you're quoting law so much on a basis which cannot be established by one person but on a general common man's understanding?
    Do you understand the the media laws are alot based on the common man's understand and viewpoints to derive the meaning of the results in deciding if an image is offensive or not? and not a solid law in which you can pluck out of the air to quote? And do you know by creating this thread, you have implicated alot of people and things that can do no good for yourself? I've just came to awareness that your P&P thread is also filled with posts in which this topic is being discussed and laws quoted once again. I'd advise you to let it go. You don't have to leave CS for the sake that most ppl here are in it for the photography and not the critiques itself. I leave it to you to decide.

    By the way, i was the first person to view the images posted up. So i dun think i need to relook at it again. And for the record. YES i'll still support him in exploring his depths in his own artistic measures.
    Last edited by Chris Lim; 23rd September 2006 at 12:48 PM.

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    And again notice that the issue isn't so much of the Undesirable Publications Act, so once again, I reiterate my view that sometimes, the incorrect laws may be quoted to support a stand.

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    I would tend to agree with this. I also feel that if you are so against it and trying to make a point, you should be the one to refer to it and not have to wait for the original poster to do it.

    Unfortunately, right at the beginning, when the subject matter was not available, but strong words were posted, I am sure that a number of people may have thought that the sitaution was far worse than it actually is. This can be seen by people posting and implying that nudes/porn/erotic photos were posted. And that was why I kept askinng for subject matter references to be given.

    This was exacerbated by the naming of the individual in subsequent posts - again without any subject matter for reference. Will this lead to people thinking worse of the person than actually is? You may be treading rather thinly on the things Chris Lim is referring to in #66. Whilst I appreciate your caution of the community on this subject - you may wish to review the manner you are going about doing so

    Cheers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Lim
    WHy don't you start from yourself? Since you're so against it. Why don't you alert them? Why don't you bring them in and start the whole damn thing? If you can't bring yourself to start it then leave it as it is and just back off. Your sense of sarcasm is highly not appreciated espcially by me. I see this as a senseless point of argument based on personal preferences.

    since this is here. may as well.....+1 again.

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    Some of us are deeply religious. Others are not. Nobody's getting killed here. If you're really so concerned about the moral decadance of our society, go ahead. You can win the special Olympics. Yay.

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    My conscience is clear. If he has deleted those two offending pictures. Let it be a lesson to him and he should be more aware of what he has done. Deleting the pictures from the link and telling other people in a way that its the style that I am after is not right. I am after that two pictures which should not have been shown here.

    If he still think that he is correct. He should be posting that two pictures up again for all to judge.

    The ball is in his court. If he strongly believe that two pictures are ok. Go ahead. If he realised he has broken the law, then its a good lesson for him.

    Vince, go and advise him on this matter. U are in the best position to protect his interests after seeing the two offensive original pictures, if he shows them to you.

    If any party felt that I have defamed him, please feel free give him your support send me a letter of intent. I will gladly take it up and present all the evidence in a court of law.
    Last edited by Tuck Loong; 23rd September 2006 at 02:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumma
    i've been asked by TL to repost up this series again. those shots in my flickr. just give me ur comments to how i can do this properly. if it's against the law, i'll definitely remove. and i'm learning this with an open mind.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/drumma/tags/voyeurism/
    That was it? My god, im so dissapointed, after reading all this crap I thought the pictures would actually be pretty dodgy.

    Drumma, I see absolutely nothing wrong with what you have posted, TL, grow up, this thread is simply a rude attack at Drumma by the looks of it.

    I agree with mattlock, you could make them a bit better with the suggestions he has given.

    Seriously 4 pages of argueing over those 4 images

    Edit: One other point, this is Singapores take on it, what If I host my images say on a US website and access it in singapore, do singapore regulations apply, or do I just abide by US legislation as thats the county where my images are being hosted?
    Last edited by wildstallion; 23rd September 2006 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuck Loong
    For the record, I am totally against that 2 orignal offending picture being posted here. If those pictures are acceptable to the community here, its time to leave Clubsnap for good.
    Pictures ok, nothing offensive as i see it. So bye bye.
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    I had seen the 4 images in the link provided by Drumma in post #60.

    Based on these 4 images, I would agree with those who feel that these images are not really terribly offensive. One I feel is in poor taste (to me at least), and I actually like two others for the graphic shapes.

    However, in post #63, TL had mentioned that 2 original images were not amongst these 4 provided in this link.

    In my opinion, to come on strong against TL based on these 4 images is totally premature.

    It appears to me that these 4 images are not the issue.

    What and where are the two images mentioned by TL?

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    I find zero fuss in these photos. Granted, they might not be the kind of photos that I may appreciate, but what is the fuss here?

    Is TL trying to take upon him the oh-so-glorious mantle of the nanny in the censorship board? Care to describe to us in detail, as well as you can, from memory, what those two images were?

    If the photographer has breached any rules regarding, that's his responsibility. Theme-wise, there is nothing absolutely wrong with a series such as these, so TL, please stop forcing your crap down the throats of others who simply do not give a rat's behind about your sanctimonous opinion.Are you going to start the Fifth Crusade against a theme in photography that you inanely assume is criminal from the very beginning, instead of sharing your concern in a more educated manner? Are you going to consider any controversial portfolio that offends your sensibilities, a variant of lese majeste?

    Your intention might have some meritorious roots, but your approach is appallingly simplistic and hopes to strike gold on the basis that other viewers are dumb and incapable of good ol' logic and common sense.

    You've made your point, so just wait your turn and read the pamphlet about "The World : Home to 5.5 Billion Opinions". Thank you.
    Last edited by LazerLordz; 23rd September 2006 at 09:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazerLordz View Post
    I find zero fuss in these photos. Granted, they might not be the kind of photos that I may appreciate, but what is the fuss here?
    Just to clarify.

    Are you talking about the 4 images in the link provided by Drumma in post #60, or are you talking about the 2 that was apparently deleted as claimed by TL, and apparently not shown in the link?

    Like you, I do not find these 4 images offensive. I also find these 4 images to be "zero fuss".

    But there are 2 things which I am perplexed about.

    1 Were there really 2 images which Drumma did not show us in this link?

    2 Why did Drumma delete his thread so quickly after posting it?
    Last edited by student; 23rd September 2006 at 09:43 PM.

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    This is hilarious. If you're as old as you claim (to qualify for your degree of 'maturity'), why would you even bring in the words "If any party felt that I have defamed him, please feel free give him your support send me a letter of intent. I will gladly take it up and present all the evidence in a court of law."

    There is no court of law here in CS. Mature people don't dare others to sue you. (No political pun intended) Besides, drumma doesn't seem to be the belligerent here and he's not as childish as to sue you. He's only gonna waste his money sueing someone he has no love for. If brinkmanship is your strategy, then I suggest you drop it as it will not work. You will only lose your credibility. Recall Hiss vs Nixon in '42. Hiss was actually innocent of the charges of communism until Nixon called him a liar when Hiss lied to the committee. That brought his downfall.

    I'm sure you're mature enough and OLD enough hor?

    Forgive me if I went out of line. But whatever makes you happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student View Post
    Just to clarify.

    Are you talking about the 4 images in the link provided by Drumma in post #60, or are you talking about the 2 that was apparently deleted as claimed by TL, and apparently not shown in the link?

    Like you, I do not find these 4 images offensive. I also find these 4 images to be zeero fuss.

    But there are 2 things which I am perplexed about.

    1 Were there really 2 images which Drumma did not show us in this link?

    2 Why did Drumma delete his thread so quickly after posting it?
    Well, I am referring first to the 4 photos still up on Drumma's Flickr site. And subsequently, I'm calling on TL to describe what two photos he claims that have vanished..And yes, you are right to suspect about the actual existence(or not) of those two alleged photos..

    As to why Drumma deleted his thread, I am in the dark as you too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazerLordz View Post
    Well, I am referring first to the 4 photos still up on Drumma's Flickr site. And subsequently, I'm calling on TL to describe what two photos he claims that have vanished..And yes, you are right to suspect about the actual existence(or not) of those two alleged photos..

    As to why Drumma deleted his thread, I am in the dark as you too..

    And that is why, until the issue of the 2 vanishing images are sorted out, I feel it is not wise or appropriate for me to be too dogmatic in my opinion.
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    ok. maybe i'll just clarify, i deleted those pics because it's bad taste. u may say it lesson learnt, whatever. in fact now looking at it, these images i have in my flickr aren't offensive enough, in my opinion, as well. stay tune.

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