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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    Hey how the hell do you make any money if doing any politically incorrect is gonna get you into trouble in your country?

    I don't agree with his methods but I think that ultimately he may actually be concerned about the country
    Just because I get my money from somewhere else doesn't mean I'm sucking the **** of whoever's funding me.

    When you are funded by overseas organisations. These organisations have their own agenda for wanting to control the politics of that country and loyalty, patrotism is not a few of the reasons. I certaintely dont want no foreign organisation to determine who should seat in my government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    Hey how the hell do you make any money if doing any politically incorrect is gonna get you into trouble in your country?

    I don't agree with his methods but I think that ultimately he may actually be concerned about the country
    Just because I get my money from somewhere else doesn't mean I'm sucking the **** of whoever's funding me.
    well, do you honestly think there will be people/organisations who will fund a person/cause without any expectations/returns/KPIs?

    If so, please PM me.. I also want.

    All I am saying is don't just simply assume his motives are always for the good of S'pore.

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    If there is an organisation funding Chee, he wouldnt have to relinquish his private house and move to in a rented space in Toa Payoh when he couldnt pay the $500k fine for alleged libel some years back. He couldn't afford a lawyer in the sentence passed early this March and had to go to jail for a couple of days. His current lawyer for the NKF lawsuit is doing his case pro bono, in layman's term free of charge.

    I'm sure u can come out with something better to strike Dr.Chee down than an unproven, scandalous consipracy theory like this. Maybe call him a clown or lunatic, like every other person do?
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    Hmm..Dr Chee up to his old tricks again ah?
    Life is like photography, we develop from the negatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised
    Gui ... it 's not that CS photographers got no lampachee ....it is just that we have other priorities which we feel are more important than to record such stupid "historical event".... I am sure if there is a war, many of us will be shooting since there is no office to go, and nothing else to do, no models to shoot, etc ...

    We are all like this because our "Great Leaders" knew and know how to have full control of our interests. They make sure each one of us own a property (99 years and mortgaged to the banks), clean and green country, no disturbances, real or perceived threats, etc... We are all so at peace with ourselves here that there is no way we want to risk our "freedom" with some heroic actions.
    With or without lampachee, your words are not going to move our lazy asses to do anything coz we know we can leave everything to our Great Leaders to handle ... be it the Big Brother up North, or the IMF, World Bank, global communities ....
    Is it very heroic to go there and take a look, i.e. curiosity, like the threadstarter? My point is, why is fear consuming u all even when u guys are not going to participate in the event? Fear of being identified as one of them? As a photographer u should know well that a camera guarantee you immunity from many things, and this is one of them. Don't forget the media, foreign and local will most likely be there in such a publicised event as well. It's all fear mongering by the police that can even stop curious people from going to take a look.

    Heck, even before Suntec was fenced up, people were already avoiding the area like a plague. A once very packed Suntec/Marina area becomes a ghost town overnight. How long will it take Singaporeans to rid themselves of this fear of nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    If there is an organisation funding Chee, he wouldnt have to relinquish his private house and move to in a rented space in Toa Payoh when he couldnt pay the $500k fine for alleged libel some years back. He couldn't afford a lawyer in the sentence passed early this March and had to go to jail for a couple of days. His current lawyer for the NKF lawsuit is doing his case pro bono, in layman's term free of charge.

    I'm sure u can come out with something better to strike Dr.Chee down than an unproven, scandalous consipracy theory like this. Maybe call him a clown or lunatic, like every other person do?
    He Couldn't or Wouldn't pay? Big difference here.

    Unproven, consipracy theory? I have my own doubts.

    But let's leave it at that. CS is not the appropriate forum to discuss.

    In any case, I don't think its such a good idea to go to this event... especially when the police have already stated that it would be considered illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    As a photographer u should know well that a camera guarantee you immunity from many things, and this is one of them. Don't forget the media, foreign and local will most likely be there in such a publicised event as well. It's all fear mongering by the police that can even stop curious people from going to take a look.

    Heck, even before Suntec was fenced up, people were already avoiding the area like a plague. A once very packed Suntec/Marina area becomes a ghost town overnight. How long will it take Singaporeans to rid themselves of this fear of nothing?

    wah.. I didn't know that simply carrying a camera will have so much power. Please share where you get this information from.

    As for fear.. yeah.. true lah. I fear the inconvenience of going to an event organised by a person whose character I highly doubt and whom I don't support.

    I fear going to a place (eg suntec during imf) where it could potentially be so bleedy crowded that it takes hours just to get in and out of the area.

    I fear driving around a place (eg suntec during imf) where I may not be able to find parking, and hence have wasted my time, petrol and applicable ERP charges.

    yeah.. i have much fear. damn sad.
    Last edited by Hobbesyeo; 14th September 2006 at 04:29 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Gui] As a photographer u should know well that a camera guarantee you immunity from many things, and this is one of them. Don't forget the media, foreign and local will most likely be there in such a publicised event as well. [QUOTE]

    My goodness!! Where on earth did you get the notion a camera gurantees you immunity from many things?? It is the press pass held by the media that gets you not immunity but identification of which station or paper you are from. And you still will be arrested if you flout rules even with the pass.

    No wonder we have photographers who always COMPLAIN and COMPLAIN that their rights are curbed by security guards who stop them from taking photos. Now we know why......
    Last edited by centuryegg; 14th September 2006 at 04:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbesyeo
    He Couldn't or Wouldn't pay? Big difference here.

    Unproven, consipracy theory? I have my own doubts.

    But let's leave it at that. CS is not the appropriate forum to discuss.

    In any case, I don't think its such a good idea to go to this event... especially when the police have already stated that it would be considered illegal.
    Same meaning.

    Illegal yes, but what is illegal? That's only if u participate. Read my 2nd post above.

    Even then, one would question the 'illegality' of this law passed to ban all outdoor gatherings, which exists only in very closed, non-democratic countries like ours, which is also lilely the reason IMF/WB chose S'pore as the destination to hold its meeting.

    The SPF has already overdone things by lumping up the IMF/WB protesters into a small corner in the meeting area, and even threatening to shoot or cane those protesters. The question is, if the police persecute the people participating this gathering/march organised by activists, what kind of message are we going to show the world?

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    I hope one day you guys may unearth your balls and actually get to use it. For those actually curious enough to pop by and take a look, I applaud you, because you've done what no other photographers here dare to do to satisfy their own curiosity. I will be there as well.

    I saw the other thread where one guy actually went shooting in the area, and boy, is it no surprise that he's an ang moh. No wonder Singapore girls complain local guys are too timid and complain too much.

    I'm done what what I wanna say and may peace be with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    Same meaning.
    You didn't understand what I meant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    Illegal yes, but what is illegal? That's only if u participate. Read my 2nd post above.
    In the event if shi* hits the fan, do you realistically think the police is going to have time to bother whether you are a participant or observer? My own gut feel is that they are simply going to round up everyone and then ask questions later. Be my guest if you want to take a chance with that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    Even then, one would question the 'illegality' of this law passed to ban all outdoor gatherings, which exists only in very closed, non-democratic countries like ours, which is also lilely the reason IMF/WB chose S'pore as the destination to hold its meeting.
    Read the press releases. The IMF wasn't too happy about the ban on protests as well. So how could that be the reason they chose S'pore? Get your facts right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    The SPF has already overdone things by lumping up the IMF/WB protesters into a small corner in the meeting area, and even threatening to shoot or cane those protesters. The question is, if the police persecute the people participating this gathering/march organised by activists, what kind of message are we going to show the world?
    It shows to the world that in spore, you play by spore's rules. It shows that the law is blind, dun care you sporean or foreigner.

    If you want protests marches and such, feel free to go batam. I think they are going ahead with the protest there.

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    By the way, if I am detained by the ISD or SPF, caned, jailed or got killed by bullets or injured by the police officer's baton, the first thing I'll do is to ask my friend who's registered here as well to inform you fear-mongers and humchees here to make you feel better for not going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    By the way, if I am detained by the ISD or SPF, caned, jailed or got killed by bullets or injured by the police officer's baton, the first thing I'll do is to ask my friend who's registered here as well to inform you fear-mongers and humchees here to make you feel better for not going.
    Biang eh.. dun like that say lah... If such a thing ever happens, everyone will know already.

    Better bring along your longest lens.
    Last edited by Hobbesyeo; 14th September 2006 at 05:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    By the way, if I am detained by the ISD or SPF, caned, jailed or got killed by bullets or injured by the police officer's baton, the first thing I'll do is to ask my friend who's registered here as well to inform you fear-mongers and humchees here to make you feel better for not going.
    Relax, relax...spend more time on photography than on politics...i wonder whether is it meaningful even to discuss about politics in Singapore...especially with current statues...
    Learn to curb anger, staying rational is the way to succeed, strike when necessary..

    U think Singaporeans all stupid mehz?? In fact, most of us here are educated, not humchees..it just tat we can't do anything much currently...but not later..
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    I have the utmost respect for those PJs who die in the line of duty. Most of us would not have such the chutzpah, but let's give credit where credit is due.

    With most of the comments I've seen so far, I'm beginning to think if these people are worth fighting for. You may disagree with a person's affiliation, but there's no need to remain blinkered.

    Granted, most of us are educated, so I think a bit of peripheral thinking shouldn't be too hard aye?

    I don't think this thread is going anywhere at all, why not just close it and save ourselves all that S/T headache?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    I hope one day you guys may unearth your balls and actually get to use it. For those actually curious enough to pop by and take a look, I applaud you, because you've done what no other photographers here dare to do to satisfy their own curiosity. I will be there as well.

    I saw the other thread where one guy actually went shooting in the area, and boy, is it no surprise that he's an ang moh. No wonder Singapore girls complain local guys are too timid and complain too much.

    I'm done what what I wanna say and may peace be with you.
    Hey,

    Dun you dare taunt pple here ok?

    Dun ever mistake foolhardiness for bravery, u stupid fool!

    Personally, I don't think you'd get lumped together as those bona fide protestors, at the very worse you might just get questioned and have the photos confiscated or something.

    However, to go or not to go, that's the choice of an individual, and for u to assume that pple who doesn't want turn up, is a chicken, is too simplistic. The concerns that other Csers raised here is valid, so what's wrong with that?

    Who are u to guarantee each and everyone of us immunity if we turn up with a camera in our hands? So, u're gonna compensate us in one way or the other, should we get into trouble, like having our gears confiscated?

    You want to join the Ang Moh Gui and become a real Gui yourself, be my guest, but don't drag others along with you.

    Law passed here is considered legal and applicable to this country, so please stop your nonsense about law not being legal. What crap?

    And please do not mistake demcocracy as any individual can do anything as they wish. I certainly do not wish to have the kind of democracy as defined by the West. Our system may not be perfect, but it is certainly better than western democracy, at least from my point of view.

    While I don't know about the conspiracy theory behind CSJ, I think he is crap and should be put away before he destroys our image. Call me a conservative oriental, but I think even if there's dirty linen to be washed, it should not be done so in full international view.

    How I wish one day I could say to CSJ: "Chee, bye!"

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    I wonder wat's Yawning bread nick in CS.

    Anyway, TS would be there. Hiding somewhere far far away.

    Shooting from his tiny S3IS.

    Anyway, everyone has his own political point of view and stand. Let's not embroil ourselves in it or attempt to impose your beliefs or fear onto others. Furthermore CS is not a correct channel to voice out political ideas and stuff. Well... in fact all Spore forums are not proper channels to do so.

    Anyway, there are a few factors tat contribute to a happy person, and one being ignorance. Well, tat's wat ppl are telling me "ignorance is a bliss" if u want me to prove tat.

    I dun really like the way Gui trying to put across to others. Ya, i can undstd sometimes it is very frustrating to see others disagreeing wif you on something you felt strongly abt. But the prob is ur style pisses ppl off. And i can say Dr Chee has his own agenda for the protest and his motives and reasons for the campaign cannot connect with what Singaporeans are concern about. Thus i would expect the turn-up by singaporeans to be very disappointing. I forsee he and his sister would be the ones there tat day, plus maybe a few foreign protestors. Tat guy felt he has suffered grevious injustice and what he is trying to do is to get back at the govt and certainly not for the well-being of Sporean

    Another thing tat pisses ppl even more is to itimidate them. Even if you pull Cisco Manager out and put in Datacraft's CEO, the result would be the same. ppl have backbone and integrity(Note: Hope u can catch wat i am saying ) This would be the only rare exception that a lawyer will go to heaven.

    I believe on that day alot of by-standers would standing far away to catch the commotion and Dr Chee would be arrested b4 he could start anything. Like wat Zax81 said, all will end in honglim park within mins.

    The reason I start this thread is because i fear that photographers would be the ones being target 1st as we might capture something which would be least pleasing in the eyes of the authorities. And these stuff could reach millions through internet.

    Just my few cents.
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    alamak! still on this ah...

    those who wanna go and shoot this historic event, pls carry on.
    those not going, simply cheer for those who went at home in front of the pc and surf CS.


    gif it all up for Dr.Chee, ladies and gentlemen!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbesyeo
    well, do you honestly think there will be people/organisations who will fund a person/cause without any expectations/returns/KPIs?

    If so, please PM me.. I also want.

    All I am saying is don't just simply assume his motives are always for the good of S'pore.
    haha that's funny because last time I checked out whole country was funded by outsiders in many ways. I guess that's why we're always bending over backwards for certain countries such as the US
    and I wonder how much we're getting from the IMF. sure must be a nice sum since Singapore's all spruced up now, last time I heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gui
    I hope one day you guys may unearth your balls and actually get to use it. For those actually curious enough to pop by and take a look, I applaud you, because you've done what no other photographers here dare to do to satisfy their own curiosity. I will be there as well.

    I saw the other thread where one guy actually went shooting in the area, and boy, is it no surprise that he's an ang moh. No wonder Singapore girls complain local guys are too timid and complain too much.

    I'm done what what I wanna say and may peace be with you.
    Actually it is not just photographers, but i believe many of the non-photograhers as well, will behave the same if we didnt have a nice home, a car, a job, 3, 4 or 5 meals a day,school, clean water, etc.... we will not only go down to shoot photos, but also burn cars, offices, etc.
    Like what that smart guy said, we fear to get into unneccessary interruptions to our daily lifestyle .... in the other more "democratic" countries, the citizens have their own fear ... fear to go out at night alone, fear of others with guns bigger than theirs, etc.... So in a way, most of us here can live with our type of fear .... the fear of getting into trouble with our strict laws.
    So if you are there, and you meet all those "curious" ppl whom you applaud, say hi for me, and ask them about their life after retirement, or whether they have found a job, etc...
    always the Light, .... always.

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