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    It's the person behind the camera that makes good photgraphs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by porshee
    leicas are so hard to use compared to cams nowadays...have to select shutter, aperture, focus and create composition all at once when only the creating composition thing is done in other cams.. This is really what muti tasking is about..oh..and getting right exposure and focus quickly is so difficult.. try shoot with slides!! i did and i almost cried...
    What are you talking about?! I think your complaint only matters if one is shooting in P mode right? If your (nowadays) camera can toggle to M mode, you'll still have to dial in the settings yourself... geez.

    If you're not familiar with handling a fully manual camera, you definitely shouldn't be trying to shoot slides with it too. Don't blame the equipment when it's your skill which is lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtwo
    What are you talking about?! I think your complaint only matters if one is shooting in P mode right? If your (nowadays) camera can toggle to M mode, you'll still have to dial in the settings yourself... geez.

    If you're not familiar with handling a fully manual camera, you definitely shouldn't be trying to shoot slides with it too. Don't blame the equipment when it's your skill which is lacking.
    I totally agree with you. The problems with many 'auto' photographers nowadays are relying too much on camera's technology that they had lost the instict of judging exposure, focus manually. And the worse part is that they blame the camera for their own lousy skills. That is the sad part of it.

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    In my opinion, in today's technology, the digital camera is the photographer , the person behind the camera helps the "photographer" to press the shutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX Boy
    I totally agree with you. The problems with many 'auto' photographers nowadays are relying too much on camera's technology that they had lost the instict of judging exposure, focus manually. And the worse part is that they blame the camera for their own lousy skills. That is the sad part of it.
    Even Leica M rangefinders have a M7 now that has aperture priority

    Judging from the many sweeping statements made here, seems like most people have the vaguest idea how to use a RF. In fact, it's faster for me to do street with a leica M than with a canon 1V or 1D mk II, for two simple reasons:

    1. Black and white - exposure latitude is great for film, and for darkroom printing, leica beats almost every other Japanese lenses (provide you know how to print properly). Sunny rule helps alot too, actually

    2. Most of the time, my focus is at infinity and at iso 1000 and f16, well, u basically just go in and shoot. Much faster and unobstrusive, frankly.

    The statement holds true for all cameras, that is in the hands of someone who doesn't know what the )&%(*@&#* they're doing, they're not a good photographer. Period.

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    "If You Don'T Own A Leica You Are Not A photographer"

    and if u dun't own a Roll Royce.. U are not a driver....

    Then what is Michael SCHUMACHER occupation ??

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    "If you own a camera, you are a cameraman/person"
    "If you don't own a brain, your are not a photographer" ??



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    Wah, never know this thread is still active after such a long time.

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    Probably gonna be locked soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canturn

    2. Most of the time, my focus is at infinity and at iso 1000 and f16, well, u basically just go in and shoot. Much faster and unobstrusive, frankly.
    The technics of this kind of 'snap-shot' photography is not simpily focus at infinity with a iso1000 film and aperture set at f11. You are missing the whole point of it!
    I would suggest that you can put in more creativity by selecting different aperture (wide-open for creating background blur so as to isolate the main subject and the background or f11 for utimate plane to plane sharpness).
    Try to learn the technics of pre-focus and I'm sure to tell you that chances that you will reinvent your syle of photography.

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    What's so great about knowing what aperture/speed to select and how to manual focus? Like these values will show up on your pictures? What's so great about manual cameras over auto ones? Like you can tell the difference which camera was used when shown a picture?
    It's really the picture that counts. ALl these camera bashing are really for people who can't shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX Boy
    The technics of this kind of 'snap-shot' photography is not simpily focus at infinity with a iso1000 film and aperture set at f11. You are missing the whole point of it!
    I would suggest that you can put in more creativity by selecting different aperture (wide-open for creating background blur so as to isolate the main subject and the background or f11 for utimate plane to plane sharpness).
    Try to learn the technics of pre-focus and I'm sure to tell you that chances that you will reinvent your syle of photography.
    Little bit OT here.

    Have long memorised the range / threshold of the various f-stops for all my lenses, setting to infinity is just ONE of the many technics of using RFs. Don't need you to teach me that, but thanks for the suggestion

    Those of us who bought a leica would jolly well know the advantage of it for available light photography as well as it's performance at wide open. My lenses are f1 - f2, no smaller. You think I would buy a leica optics to use @ f11?

    Pre-focusing technic can be done on any RF or cam, even my 1972 Konica can do that. So what's the catch? Buying it as a trophy? Sorry man, my leica is protected with black tape, so much so that no one would know what I'm using, even the front cap

    Frankly, two main reasons why I still hold on to the M system even though digital seems to dominate now.

    1. B&W. Tonality and the 3-D details that Leica can render is amazing.
    2. Slides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canturn
    Little bit OT here.

    Have long memorised the range / threshold of the various f-stops for all my lenses, setting to infinity is just ONE of the many technics of using RFs. Don't need you to teach me that, but thanks for the suggestion

    Those of us who bought a leica would jolly well know the advantage of it for available light photography as well as it's performance at wide open. My lenses are f1 - f2, no smaller. You think I would buy a leica optics to use @ f11?

    Pre-focusing technic can be done on any RF or cam, even my 1972 Konica can do that. So what's the catch? Buying it as a trophy? Sorry man, my leica is protected with black tape, so much so that no one would know what I'm using, even the front cap

    Frankly, two main reasons why I still hold on to the M system even though digital seems to dominate now.

    1. B&W. Tonality and the 3-D details that Leica can render is amazing.
    2. Slides.
    Sorry man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimCB
    What's so great about knowing what aperture/speed to select and how to manual focus? Like these values will show up on your pictures? What's so great about manual cameras over auto ones? Like you can tell the difference which camera was used when shown a picture?
    It's really the picture that counts. ALl these camera bashing are really for people who can't shoot.
    It is much better to know your 'stuff' rather than letting the camera automation take all over.
    A good photographer control the camera and not overwise.
    For people like you, maybe the camera manufacturer can manufacture a camera that will automatic hunt for angle when mounted on the tripod and will take pics by itself. Haha...isn't it dumb?
    Get it?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX Boy
    It is much better to know your 'stuff' rather than letting the camera automation take all over.
    A good photographer control the camera and not overwise.
    For people like you, maybe the camera manufacturer can manufacture a camera that will automatic hunt for angle when mounted on the tripod and will take pics by itself. Haha...isn't it dumb?
    I think you are really kind of person that your nick 'limcb' suggest! Get it?

    A good photographer is one who can shoot, manual or auto. A bad photographer is one who thinks arguing over which mode is superior will make them a good photographer, i.e people like yourself. Yes it's dumb, but true.

    PS: Moderators, are making fun of people's name allowed here as the above quoted poster in my thread so balatantly announced? Have the rules changed?

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    if u dun own a bungalow or condo in Singapore, den ur nt a Singaporean,
    u dun haggle prices, u r not Sgporean
    u dun ask for free gifts, u r not Sgporean.

    if we are Singaporean, Tolerence.......

    the day when we can stop tolerating such nonsense is when these old men breathe their last, and we can attend their funeral and be photographers...

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    ...i was saying in another thread..."if you don't own a mac..."

    Have a look at photon.net's leica photography forum and I can tell you lot of leica users shoot crap. I treat that forum like a club members' gathering more than anything else.

    Like many good things of which owners keep them as collectibles or using them, if you haven't got an eye, take Bruenien Sultan's diamonded sturded Nikon/canon made of solid gold will not produce decent recents.

    I read someone said "shoot with your eyes..", it's not that untrue, and "with your heart too..." but literally, use a camera to capture it, on film or ccd, up to you. A recent's phrase "decisive moment" in HCB's passing, that really make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LimCB
    A good photographer is one who can shoot, manual or auto. A bad photographer is one who thinks arguing over which mode is superior will make them a good photographer, i.e people like yourself. Yes it's dumb, but true.

    PS: Moderators, are making fun of people's name allowed here as the above quoted poster in my thread so balatantly announced? Have the rules changed?
    Mr Lim,

    FYI, I does not arguing over which mode is superior. If I can shoot with confidence in full manual mode (with understanding of how exposure works), then I can shoot in auto mode also.
    But is a person that reply all the while with 'auto' and does not even know exposure, then it is not good.
    That is what I am trying to meant, dun get me wrong.
    Care to show me some of your award-winning pics shot with 'full auto' mode?

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    The initial disagreement is with a fellow Cser who does not seem to operate beyond point & shoot, thus made a bizarre comparision between "shooting manual with leica is multitasking & hard" vs "to shoot by just creating composition with cams nowadays".

    The "auto vs manual shooting" is out-of-topic IMO.

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    Well if I owned a Leica, but left it at home while shooting with, say, a D2H or a 1Ds, does that make me a photographer?

    Them old farts ought to be less vague when making sweeping statements like that.

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