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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    "Be the best, think & act like the best." isn't absolutely wrong, but neither it is absolutely correct.

    An athlete, artist whose standards had reached Gold-Class without a tinge of humility and modesty is no different from an egoist who will remain as such.... Gold/World-Class.

    An athlete, artist whose standards had NOT reached Gold-Class but remembers the source when he drinks the water (literally in Chinese "饮水思源"), remains down-to-earth and humble has the potential to soar HIGHER THAN Gold-Class/World-Class standards.

    So which one do one aspires to achieve?
    I think the premise is that world-class performers are often disdainful. I do not have the chance to talk to any of these performers and so, cannot assess your presumed true statement.

    Let us assume the premise that a world-class performer is likely to be disdainful. However, when one says "to be the best, you have to think and act like the best", he/she doesn't mean we have to follow in total tandem under the shadow of the world-class performer. In our context, thinking and acting like the best is to acheive world-class technical and artistic competence. We have to discern the right behaviors to emulate from the wrong behaviors to eliminate. At the moral level, we can choose not to follow the world class performers' standard of being haughty.

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    what ever the case.... be humble and learn. simple....

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong
    what ever the case.... be humble and learn. simple....
    I'm still learning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tan131
    is there a need to do so? if they wanna be proud of it then let them be.. else u would be seen as playing in their league.. jus a personal opinion.. no offences
    Agree...let them be, at the end of the day it is what one delivers that counts......why bother.

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    i took up DSLR because i have been using DSLRs since sec 1, from school. got much experience and found that PnS limits what i can do. i have experience with photoshop since sec 1 since my cca requires frequent editing and stuff like that. the only reason i still cannot progress then was my lack of drive to really push for a DSLR that i can call my own.

    now in JC the school is so "poor" 1k for photography club a year. wtf. and then the "technology" clubs over there are relatively crap. so have to invest myself and try out everything.
    random equipment.
    where are my primes?

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    But why does owning a DSLR has to be generalised as a wannabe, a Pro , a this or a that, how come there always seems to be people who cannot tolerate others owning big equipment, even just for the fun of it?
    I see many people wearing running shoes out there, but I don't hear people saying that they are runners-wannabe?. There are people who own fast cars, but does that make them Schumacher wannabe?
    SLR, a very expensive camera, previously being own exclusively by “serious photographer”, or “people who are good in photography”, is now being made widely available through a few factors, 1) the internet, where you can gain so much knowledge from, which makes owning one such equipment less intimidating, something which we use to need to get advise from “that uncle who is suppose to be so good in photography”
    2) Buying power – what use to be “a serious acquisition as the family’s financial resource is limited” is now more easily purchased after a few weeks of part time work and discipline savings.
    Maybe this exclusiveness has been invaded so much, it is making it uncomfortable for some people here?

    .and for people who are still using the statement “it’s the man behind the camera”…..I have said this before , because if this is so true, and looking at the frequency that people are using this statement, it should be,….then every “Pro” should do well enough with a EOS 300D, a kit lens , and a 75-300 mm lens……shouldn’t they? I agree the man himself is important, but it’s is not as absolute as people make it out to be here, maybe 70-30.

    It seems like for some people here, there is some pre-requisites to meet before some one buy a piece of equipment. But why should it be? For people who are still caught in the exclusivity trap, try to accept this, the piece of equipment that used to be so exclusive, is now just one of the electronic toys available in the market. My friend who used to own a EOS 100, owned it for 10 years, and I think it is the same for many SLR owners previously, but now, even the so call enthusiasts, hobbyist, serious photographers, are changing their cam so very often…..be honest, isn’t this starting to feel like a toy to you? If it is so "man-behind-the-cam", you should be sticking to just one cam, shouldn't you?

    And for the case where newbe starts to try to make money before they are equipped with the skills, well, I think we need to admire their guts…….does every businessman out there has a MBA before they start?then why should it be any different for photography?

    It used to be the same when automatic cars first came to the market, people who were driving before that introduction used to call it a ladies -car, or "you are not really driving if you are behind the wheels of a auto car:"......another example of invasion into exclusivity perhaps?

    I know it's very difficult for some people here, but it's time to move on/.....it's a toy....I buy it because I think I like it....then I don't like it....I chuck it aside.....next toy...
    come on guys , lighten up, this is just but only a hobby, if you are willing, help others improve their skills , and if you are not, is it so difficult to leave them alone?


    Peace....but just speaking my mind here….and sorry for the long message

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    Quote Originally Posted by S11loop
    You dont need to be a pro race driver to own a fast car .
    You dont need to be a pro photog to own a pro setup .

    DSLR getting cheaper , more ppl start to buy . So nothing to rave about seriously , its just a product .
    exactly. like what i said earlier, Singaporeans got money mah, every 2-3yrs bbb new equipment.. no big deal lah.

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    A true photographer wont show off what has in his/her equipment list... Nor do he/she shows off how good he/she is...
    Last edited by hanqiang1011; 12th December 2006 at 12:44 PM.

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    Default Re: Too many photographer-wannabe out there!

    Quote Originally Posted by hanqiang1011 View Post
    A true photographer wont show off what has in his/her equipment list... Nor do he/she shows off how good he/she is...
    Are u refering to *s*n ?
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    yes.. too many and that why prices for wedding shoots kept going down.

    Morever, job security is weak in today's economy. Therefore, many are picking up hoping to master a money earning trade. However, Singapore is a small market.. Europe or USA is a better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooter View Post
    Don't you agree??!!

    Every1 thought owning a dslr can make u an instant photographer!! How true is that!!


    come on! every badminton player also hope he can be world champion. every chess player also hope one day he can be world class. though behind it there is a high price to pay..lots of practice and training.

    naturally every photographer also hope to be top photographer! whats wrong w you

    then what??? buy a camera and hope that all the photos turn out like ****?

    i play badminton i also go for competition also lost like ****. but at least i tried.

    i have also taken wedding day shoot. then progress to studio shoots. ppl pay me for it. it not about money cos i already got a job. its just a challenge to self. now i dont do it anymore cos i have proven to myself that i can do it.

    whats wrong when ppl try to be better photographers? dont you wan to be good at what you do??????

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    Nothing wrong with having wannabes.

    The REAL problem is Pros who are killing the industry by under charging to land a job. This results in jobs going to the cheapest guy and the market suffers. Quality stagnates as there is less incentive to compete by improving one's quality of photos. Only the dedicated ones who know that it is a life-long learning process and do it with passion.

    Remember this.

    Pro means someone who gets paid. It does NOT mean good or better photographer. Lots of photographers out there are way better.

    Equipment is a tool. Actually, the hobbyists are the ones buying the best equipment. How many pros shoot with a Leica?

    To those who feel like a pro when they use a DSLR and are upset because everyone has one, please go walk around with a HD2 39.

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    a good healthy base of aspiring amatuer/ hobbyist is good for everyone.
    create a big pool of liquidity for 2nd hand equipments.

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    more photographers the better. Anyway, not all everybody that buy a DSLR will mature enough to be really good. I believe that photography should be for yourself and not others. shoot what you like and don't care about what other people think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deckard View Post
    more photographers the better. Anyway, not all everybody that buy a DSLR will mature enough to be really good. I believe that photography should be for yourself and not others. shoot what you like and don't care about what other people think.
    This is a very subjective statement. If u are doing a paid job, it is the customer that decides what is nice to them. Therefore it is impt in a paid job that u care what other pp think. What is nice to u may not be nice to them. Therefore, if is a boring shot to u, what is impt is make the best out of that shot.

    My 2 cents.

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    I think what every photographer has in common, is to take a photo which will make people go woah.. very nice leh..

    Irregardless if he/she is a pro or not.

    Equipments are toys, having better equipment doesn't makes you a better photographer, It just makes it easier to achieve some effects.

    As a hobbist, buying new toy is the kick, and shopping proves to be a very good therapy for the stress i face at work. But my budget is finished for this year and next haha.

    If you are able to make money from your hobby why not? but usually when you start making money from your hobby, it takes a tow on the passion for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooter View Post
    Don't you agree??!!

    Every1 thought owning a dslr can make u an instant photographer!! How true is that!!
    I agree. I'm one of them. When there was film SLR, I didnt want to touch it 'cos it's going to be expensive when film is wasted.

    Now with DSLR, it's easier. I can preview my shots and delete them if they're poorly taken. Also technology has made it easier to enhance photos without going through the training of adjusting the aperture, exposure, etc....

    Also now the price of owning a DLSR is affordable. I've no regrets getting the gear and then start taking shots like nobody's business

    That's my $0.02

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    [QUOTE=lovells19;2684478]I think what every photographer has in common, is to take a photo which will make people go woah.. very nice leh..

    Irregardless if he/she is a pro or not.

    Equipments are toys, having better equipment doesn't makes you a better photographer, It just makes it easier to achieve some effects.

    As a hobbist, buying new toy is the kick, and shopping proves to be a very good therapy for the stress i face at work. But my budget is finished for this year and next haha.

    If you are able to make money from your hobby why not? but usually when you start making money from your hobby, it takes a tow on the passion for it.[/QUOTE]

    When passion comes into your job, photos taken will be much better than pp who are just looking at money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreaXion View Post

    When passion comes into your job, photos taken will be much better than pp who are just looking at money.
    hmm so do you think the pros become pro because of money or passion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovells19 View Post
    hmm so do you think the pros become pro because of money or passion?
    passion is the beginning.

    money will start to take over.

    soon, all become stale and hey, its just a job!


    how to keep the passion for photography going when u're doing it professionally(that is making $$ and a living out of it) is a challenge.
    but i'm sure most are pleased with wat they are doing.
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