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    Quote Originally Posted by drakon09 View Post
    It not the fault of the camera, but the person using it...

    So can I slam you instead??


    No WWF or violence in here!

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    pentax? u mean u actually use pentax?

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    Quote Originally Posted by user111 View Post
    pentax? u mean u actually use pentax?
    Canon? You mean you actually use Canon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Canon? You mean you actually use Canon?


    I use a Canon printer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drakon09 View Post


    I use a Canon printer...


    I use an Akira DVD player.

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    Well...you need to be a novice in order to be a veteran

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    Default Re: Too many photographer-wannabe out there!

    Quote Originally Posted by aq12345 View Post
    Well...you need to be a novice in order to be a veteran
    it takes at least 100 novices to be one veteran.

    AWOL, KIA, MIA......... you name it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    it takes at least 100 novices to be one veteran.

    AWOL, KIA, MIA......... you name it.
    novices were more enterprising in the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    novices were more enterprising in the past
    In what way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiao_shin View Post
    In what way?
    understand the principle of doing business.
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    these days have a different model.. start with cheap rates.. and continue charging cheap rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    understand the principle of doing business.
    If it is the principle of doing business, think youngster nowadays are doing a better job than the old-timer.

    For example,
    1. Low startup using internet/forum
    2. Buildup portfolio using TFCD
    3. Portfolio on the net
    4. More flexible package (Coffee book, montage, no print etc)

    Of cos, under-cutting might be more serious due to competition. Doesn't the old-timer undercut each other last time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiao_shin View Post
    In what way?
    the conveniences of current technologies are capable of breeding more of opportunists who enter and exit the market more freely, with little willingness to make much commitment to the job, than serious players who invest time, effort and creativity to build their career. personally, i think novices of the past on average produce better quality portfolios than novices of the present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiao_shin View Post
    If it is the principle of doing business, think youngster nowadays are doing a better job than the old-timer.

    For example,
    1. Low startup using internet/forum
    2. Buildup portfolio using TFCD
    3. Portfolio on the net
    4. More flexible package (Coffee book, montage, no print etc)

    Of cos, under-cutting might be more serious due to competition. Doesn't the old-timer undercut each other last time?
    i think alot of novices of the present are just trying to make use of these to cover up inadequacy of photography skills, not very enterprising as superficial accessories do not extend occupation lifespan very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    the conveniences of current technologies are capable of breeding more of opportunists who enter and exit the market more freely, with little willingness to make much commitment to the job, than serious players who invest time, effort and creativity to build their career. personally, i think novices of the past on average produce better quality portfolios than novices of the present.

    i think alot of novices of the present are just trying to make use of these to cover up inadequacy of photography skills, not very enterprising as superficial accessories do not extend occupation lifespan very long.
    Can't agree with you on this. A few of the good wedding photographers I have seen here started with website biz model.

    3 sucessful ones that I can recall off hand are Iamsaint, Joho and SniperD.

    If my memory doesn't failed me:
    Iamsaint started with a pbase account too. Can we say that he didn't invest time, creativity and effort to build his career?

    If you looked at Joho and SniperD photos, are they not heavily processed? I find it ok as they are using technology to enhance the mood. Can't really said they used technology to cover up their inadequacy in skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiao_shin View Post
    Can't agree with you on this. A few of the good wedding photographers I have seen here started with website biz model.

    3 sucessful ones that I can recall off hand are Iamsaint, Joho and SniperD.

    If my memory doesn't failed me:
    Iamsaint started with a pbase account too. Can we say that he didn't invest time, creativity and effort to build his career?

    If you looked at Joho and SniperD photos, are they not heavily processed? I find it ok as they are using technology to enhance the mood. Can't really said they used technology to cover up their inadequacy in skills.
    i didn't say all of them are inadequate, there are many who are inadequate, and probably more so now with technological conveniences.

    if you choose to read only what you want to read, i don't intend to change your thinking. afterall it's my observation.

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    I have to say again....

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    it takes at least 100 novices to be one veteran.
    AWOL, KIA, MIA......... you name it.
    those who can't make it, nobody knows them, it will be forgotten shortly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    i didn't say all of them are inadequate, there are many who are inadequate, and probably more so now with technological conveniences.

    if you choose to read only what you want to read, i don't intend to change your thinking. afterall it's my observation.
    I am not choosing to read what I wanted to read. I am stating that we have successful examples right here in our forum. Of course there might be a few who depends solely on processing to make a pic look decent. Unless, we see the original photos, we will never know.

    As compared to last time, burning and dodging in the darkroom is definately more complex than doing the same thing using software. And, they don't have "undo" button the last time.

    It's my observation that they are making full use of current technology to push forward their photography career. If they lived in the age of last time where there is no photo shop or pbase, will they be as heavily booked now?

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    Default Re: Too many photographer-wannabe out there!

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiao_shin View Post
    It's my observation that they are making full use of current technology to push forward their photography career. If they lived in the age of last time where there is no photo shop or pbase, will they be as heavily booked now?
    my take is - whatever it is, what technology has done is just improving the tools we use.

    yes, they have made things easier. but still you'll be the one deciding on how you use them.

    and that's where their edge stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by user111 View Post
    yes i agree sbsolutely that there are alot of newbie wannabes running around with 400d, 30d, d80, d40. all over the place.

    but when i look at them now i see myself in them many years back. back then i was running around with eos 3. now i am a seasoned pro, older, wiser, who shoots selectively with EOS 1D.

    somehow u will feel good seeing these newbies running around because they make you recall the good old days when u are keen to try everything. these nembies can be found in city hall area at night with tripods trying out long exposures. hehehe
    I used to use a D2x, but now use a D40 full time (For personal reasons and preferences) (D2x in cold storage).
    I don't think it is wise to judge anybody by equipment.

    Of course, I never claimed to be pro, and I may not be considered pro by many of you

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