FZ30 And FZ50

oTaRu · 23rd August 2006

it's been a long time didnt come in and chat liao...
currently holding on FZ30... dunno should i change to FZ50 or not... even thou i had tried the FZ50... other than the TTL and High ISO... not much different... but i was wondering... comparing with other pro-consumer and DSLR... is the photo appear in FZ50 high ISO get more noisy than others???

btw, what's the current rate for selling FZ30?

Thanks~!

metallilan · 23rd August 2006

Originally Posted by oTaRu

it's been a long time didnt come in and chat liao...
currently holding on FZ30... dunno should i change to FZ50 or not... even thou i had tried the FZ50... other than the TTL and High ISO... not much different... but i was wondering... comparing with other pro-consumer and DSLR... is the photo appear in FZ50 high ISO get more noisy than others???

btw, what's the current rate for selling FZ30?

Thanks~!

well, put it this way.

FZ30 to FZ50.

You are paying for..

# Ten megapixel 1/1.8" CCD
# 16:9 movie record mode (848 x 480 pixels)
# TIFF file format dropped (RAW remains)
# Venus Engine III image processor
# Scene modes adjusted
# Sensitivity up to ISO 1600 at full size, ISO 3200 (upsampled)
# TTL Flash hot-shoe
# Slower continuous shooting (from 3 to 2 fps, max images from 7 to 5 in standard)
# Lower resolution LCD monitor (from 230,000 to 207,000 pixels)
# Support for SDHC cards (SD greater than 2 GB)
# 'SilkyPix Developer Studio' for RAW conversion

My personal opinion:

You are paying for all that, retaining a 12x zoom, compact body for a big zoom, OIS, and waist level shooting etc.

However, you are also paying for uncertain noise levels typical of panasonic, and the inability to switch lenses unless you buy other lenses like macro and wide angle. Your bokeh may not also be fantastic unless you zoom at 12 x. Also, details captured on a high MP but small sensor camera may not match that of a DSLR...

ExplorerZ · 23rd August 2006

Originally Posted by metallilan

well, put it this way.

FZ30 to FZ50.

You are paying for..

# Ten megapixel 1/1.8" CCD
# 16:9 movie record mode (848 x 480 pixels)
# TIFF file format dropped (RAW remains)
# Venus Engine III image processor
# Scene modes adjusted
# Sensitivity up to ISO 1600 at full size, ISO 3200 (upsampled)
# TTL Flash hot-shoe
# Slower continuous shooting (from 3 to 2 fps, max images from 7 to 5 in standard)
# Lower resolution LCD monitor (from 230,000 to 207,000 pixels)
# Support for SDHC cards (SD greater than 2 GB)
# 'SilkyPix Developer Studio' for RAW conversion

My personal opinion:

You are paying for all that, retaining a 12x zoom, compact body for a small zoom, OIS, and waist level shooting etc.

However, you are also paying for uncertain noise levels typical of panasonic, and the inability to switch lenses unless you buy other lenses like macro and wide angle. Your bokeh may not also be fantastic unless you zoom at 12 x. Also, details captured on a high MP but small sensor camera may not match that of a DSLR...

those looking for upgrade i think the most worthwhile 1 will be ttl flash

. but accuracy of flash is still uncertain, if it is not accurate then there is no point of getting it

oTaRu · 24th August 2006

think should i wait for the review to come out??

PhantomGTR · 24th August 2006

I think FZ50 noise control should be better than FZ30.

rinaldi86 · 24th August 2006

Originally Posted by PhantomGTR

I think FZ50 noise control should be better than FZ30.

http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/l...dels/fz50.html

Judge it yourself.

To me, FZ-20 was the best model in terms of image resolution to noise ratio.

This FZ-50 is by far the noisiest FZ - XX series I've ever seen

Hexlord · 24th August 2006

Personally I still feel that FZ50 is recommended for first time buyers...

For the rest of us FZxx owners... DSLR is the next level up!

ExplorerZ · 24th August 2006

Originally Posted by Hexlord

Personally I still feel that FZ50 is recommended for first time buyers...

For the rest of us FZxx owners... DSLR is the next level up!

yay

A100, 400D, D80 is waiting for you

oTaRu · 24th August 2006

ya... i agree with ExplorerZ
but DSLR is a very expensive gadget to get as due to my commitments...

metallilan · 24th August 2006

Originally Posted by oTaRu

ya... i agree with ExplorerZ
but DSLR is a very expensive gadget to get as due to my commitments...

Well in that case i think keeping the Fz30 is a good idea.. your job is still as the photographer to make the shot count, regardless of the camera used

DaXiong · 25th August 2006

hi oTaRu,

Let me try to stop ur itch caused by BBB virus....

ask urself:

" Can i take better pic with the new camera?"
"Can i differentiate the pic taken by both camera?"
" Will my skill improve after buying the camera?"

if all answer is "No"
u shall know if the money spend is justifiable or not

I always use this method to stop my itch whenever i start to dream about D200..

sigh...

p/s:

if one day u see me using new camera .. pls don't ask me all the questions above. My answers r still "NO".... just can't fight the BBB virus ,, that's all.. haha...

k3nn3th03 · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by Hexlord

Personally I still feel that FZ50 is recommended for first time buyers...

For the rest of us FZxx owners... DSLR is the next level up!

the HINT is out...

metallilan · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by DaXiong

p/s:
if one day u see me using new camera .. pls don't ask me all the questions above. My answers r still "NO".... just can't fight the BBB virus ,, that's all.. haha...

Haha i probably know why...

ExplorerZ · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by DaXiong

hi oTaRu,

Let me try to stop ur itch caused by BBB virus....

ask urself:

" Can i take better pic with the new camera?"
"Can i differentiate the pic taken by both camera?"
" Will my skill improve after buying the camera?"

if all answer is "No"
u shall know if the money spend is justifiable or not

I always use this method to stop my itch whenever i start to dream about D200..

p/s:
if one day u see me using new camera .. pls don't ask me all the questions above. My answers r still "NO".... just can't fight the BBB virus ,, that's all.. haha...

" Can i take better pic with the new camera?" = I dono, probably yes if you are shooting sports
"Can i differentiate the pic taken by both camera?" = Of cos you can see the difference in noise
" Will my skill improve after buying the camera?" = Up to you, but to me dSLR learning curve makes you improve faster than using compact

conclusion = Im caught in the BBB virus

Hexlord · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by k3nn3th03

the HINT is out...

Haha....

DaXiong · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by ExplorerZ

" Can i take better pic with the new camera?" = I dono, probably yes if you are shooting sports
"Can i differentiate the pic taken by both camera?" = Of cos you can see the difference in noise
" Will my skill improve after buying the camera?" = Up to you, but to me dSLR learning curve makes you improve faster than using compact

conclusion = Im caught in the BBB virus

i totally agree with ur last answer...

....

err.. but for 2nd answer..... i m not so convinced.. haha... that one can only conclude when we compare their pics side by side after developed...

ExplorerZ · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by DaXiong

i totally agree with ur last answer... ....

err.. but for 2nd answer..... i m not so convinced.. haha... that one can only conclude when we compare their pics side by side after developed...

definitely yes, if you try iso 400 of lumix against any dSLR at iso400. can even see noise from a 4R print... i done that

details wise not much since both are compressed to 300dpi, but at 8R or bigger i think can see different in detail as well since lumix at iso400 would be pretty much ruined by either noise or noise reduction =x

DaXiong · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by ExplorerZ

definitely yes, if you try iso 400 of lumix against any dSLR at iso400. can even see noise from a 4R print... i done that
details wise not much since both are compressed to 300dpi, but at 8R or bigger i think can see different in detail as well since lumix at iso400 would be pretty much ruined by either noise or noise reduction =x

huh? i tot we r comparing FZ30 & 50??

ExplorerZ · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by DaXiong

huh? i tot we r comparing FZ30 & 50??

ain't we surpose to continue from post 7?

anyway if want to compare fz30 and 50... image quality and everything are 80-90% same, except you get 2more MP.
noise level still the same even with the new venus III, the more efficient noise control ended up making the 10MP noise looks like FZ30 8MP noise level.

DaXiong · 25th August 2006

Originally Posted by DaXiong

hi oTaRu,

Let me try to stop ur itch caused by BBB virus....

ask urself:

" Can i take better pic with the new camera?"
"Can i differentiate the pic taken by both camera?"
" Will my skill improve after buying the camera?"

if all answer is "No"
u shall know if the money spend is justifiable or not

I always use this method to stop my itch whenever i start to dream about D200.. sigh...

p/s:
if one day u see me using new camera .. pls don't ask me all the questions above. My answers r still "NO".... just can't fight the BBB virus ,, that's all.. haha...

I was telling otaru to ask all these questions to himself to stop the BBB virus mah... u misunderstood liao, bro..

23rd August 2006	#1
oTaRu Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 986	FZ30 And FZ50 it's been a long time didnt come in and chat liao... currently holding on FZ30... dunno should i change to FZ50 or not... even thou i had tried the FZ50... other than the TTL and High ISO... not much different... but i was wondering... comparing with other pro-consumer and DSLR... is the photo appear in FZ50 high ISO get more noisy than others??? btw, what's the current rate for selling FZ30? Thanks~!

24th August 2006	#4
oTaRu Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 986	Re: FZ30 And FZ50 think should i wait for the review to come out??

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Hexlord Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bedok Posts: 1,503	Re: FZ30 And FZ50 Personally I still feel that FZ50 is recommended for first time buyers... For the rest of us FZxx owners... DSLR is the next level up! __________________ Black Rabbit Photography DeviantArt \| Multiply \| Flickr

24th August 2006	#9
oTaRu Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 986	Re: FZ30 And FZ50 ya... i agree with ExplorerZ but DSLR is a very expensive gadget to get as due to my commitments...

25th August 2006	#11
DaXiong Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,239	Re: FZ30 And FZ50 hi oTaRu, Let me try to stop ur itch caused by BBB virus.... ask urself: " Can i take better pic with the new camera?" "Can i differentiate the pic taken by both camera?" " Will my skill improve after buying the camera?" if all answer is "No" u shall know if the money spend is justifiable or not I always use this method to stop my itch whenever i start to dream about D200.. sigh... p/s: if one day u see me using new camera .. pls don't ask me all the questions above. My answers r still "NO".... just can't fight the BBB virus ,, that's all.. haha... __________________ My gallery Ideas For Life that Delighting You Always Last edited by DaXiong; 25th August 2006 at 01:30 AM.