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    60 23.81%
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  1. #21
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    Originally posted by Kho King
    any comment on the laser treatment to correct eye sight? I have been thinking of this lately, but not sure if it is safe. Any limitation?
    erm do it if u dun mind the risk.

    last time i seen on tv, there was a lady who correct her "short sightedness" after a laser treatment .......

    She got long sightedness n on top of that she still is short sighted. Cos laser treatment cant correct your eyesight to as good as that of a 6/6 .....but lower it if u are a person with very bad short sightedness. (sry very bad with words, hope dun confuse anyone reading)

    Each time after an op on one eye ( assuming u do one at one time...unless u dun mind being "temp" blind...cos u cant use that eye for 6 mths.) u have to depend on oni the other eye....this could cause the "lazy eye sydrome" to occur quite bad i think....

    If ur eye sight is nt too bad....i mean say ard 700-900 thereabts...try to live with it loh...

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    Originally posted by Xeviouss

    If ur eye sight is nt too bad....i mean say ard 700-900 thereabts...try to live with it loh...
    700-900 is not that bad??? Then what do you consider bad?

  3. #23

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    Go for the surgery, its not as bad as it sounds!

    Naturally, any form of surgery has its attendant risks and there is no need to get too hyper about the odd case that goes wrong.

    Its human nature to spread horror tales around like wildfire through word of mouth. However, most of the very happy post-Lasik patients dun get enough air time.

    & the statistics point out that the overwhelming majority of Lasik ops are successful. Dun take my word for it... ask the good ppl at Singapore National Eye Center for example.

    If I remember correctly, 60% get 6/6, 90% get 6/12 (legal driving requirement). Nobody has yet gone blind at SNEC yet.

    Lasik has a 10 year record in Singapore, longer if u're talking about worldwide (U.S. etc.).

    I've not properly documented before what happened so perhaps the following is as much for myself as it is for u guys...
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    (Diary of a Lasik Risk Taker)

    I have always been a very outdoor loving person. The things I enjoy most in life, such as outdoor trekking, mountain climbing, soccer and photography all depended on good eye sight without the use of specs. For safety reasons as well as better performance.

    I've broken a few pairs of specs playing soccer (luckily never hurt myself - though a friend playing street soccer shattered his lens and got a lens fragment cut his eyeball slightly, full recovery but u get the point), invariably finds them fogging up or smearing with sweat and grease when I go trekking, and blurs easly whenever I press my camera to my right lens.

    I can show u how my right spectacle lens has got so many scratches compared to the left and how the scratches involve my camera body back as well.

    The final straw came when I went to Berkelah Falls and forgot to bring my cleaning cloth. I scratched it easily and it always fogged in the waterfalls.

    I called them up SNEC and pressured them for the earliest Lasik op and did it all within a week. The whole week on MC.

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    It wasn't that painful at all, some slight discomfort and dryness initially.

    They did my worse eye first (right eye, 500 degrees). And that same night I was driving without specs at all with one recovering Lasik eye only. The doctor cringed though when I told him I drove myself to the checkup the next day.

    I have not worn my specs since that moment when the 1st eye was operated.

    Last check, left eye (300 degrees formerly) is better than 6/6 - its more like 6/4.5, they call it pilot's vision... while right eye is about 6/6.5 or so, maybe with slight over correction...but I dun feel anything amiss.

    Normally, the higher the degrees the more tricky it is to get 6/6.

    Many steps to follow 1 mth after op, like eye drops, antibiotic drops, and sleeping with a clear plastic eye cup.

    But well worth it to make sure u do not rub your eyes in your sleep and/or to get infections.

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    I am not gloating about it. I am very grateful that I came out of the whole experience with a new lease of life. I thank whoever it was watching over me during that time.

    I have read about horror cases but u should listen to all those people who emerged a new person from their op. My photography wasn't the only thing that benefitted from it...every part of my life became better.

    Its one cool thing to be able to wake up with clear vision...1st month was a real jam, I went round reading/reciting car license plate numbers, hawker centre/ road signs, everything...

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    Weigh the risks. Yes, if u have very heavy over correction, u can get long sightedness, which means u might have probs reading or typing...

    If u have complications such as scarring or infection (through not following the steps of maintenance during the 1st month only), ur eyesight can get worse.

    Yes, I worried about not being to do photography due to severe hazing or halo-ing or sensitivity to glare.

    There's slight halo at night looking at bright lights or vehicle head lights. But I had mild astigmatism previously and with specs that are slightly dirty, its very hazy/"halo-y" anyway, so I dun feel any diff.

    All of the above did not happen thankfully but believe me I was just as concerned as any of you then.

    What are the alternatives?

    Contact lenses are not good for water sports. U open urself to all sorts of risks of infection. They are such a hassle. Guys like me typically dun give a damn cleaning and partly due to the hassle, always perseveres with the specs, leading to broken or scratched lenses. Sometimes, I just totally forget to wear my contact lenses.

    On that note, ladies typically take much better care of them. Partly because they take so many maintenance steps with the make-up, clothing, grooming etc. so one more set of procedures doesn't really matter now does it?

    Contact lenses also cause me to have v. tired eyes at the end of a long day, sometimes they ain't that clear. Sometimes when I play soccer in the rain, a rain drop hitting the eye causes real discomfort.

    Long term use of contact lenses can and do alter the shape of your cornea too. U're putting a foreign object in your eye remember.

    I figured that by rushing my Lasik, I had immediately saved several hundred bucks by not needing to replace my spectacle lenses and stocking up on cleaning solutions which were running out. The savings over time will easily pay for the op and more in the form of a better quality of life.

    This $5K will be depreciated over 15 to 20 years till longsightedness due to old age sets in. Even then, I will still be able to see faraway objects. Having to wear specs when reading etc. is hardly a problem cos I'd expect to be in a reasonably comfortable situation if I wanna do that anyway.

    By doing it when young, u can enjoy good eyesight longer and recover much faster/better. The risks of any op when u get older is naturally always higher.

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    (Bottom line)

    Get a consultancy session with the doc. He will decide whether u r good for the op. The risks will be explained to you. U will get a VCD which explains the op in great detail.

    If u are deemed a good candidate, THEN u can decide if u wanna go for it.

    All this conjecture is pointless if u're deemed unsuitable by the doc(below 21 years of age, unstable/changing degrees of shorsightedness, thin cornea, dryness of eye, other eye problems like a pupil that is too big etc.).

    U should do it only if your lifestyle will benefit from it.

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    I had lasik done some time this year too. My degrees per eye was around 1200+. Did it at SNEC, one eye on a monday and the other eye the following day. My eyes are more or less perfect now, have nott worn spectacles since then. To me it was very worth it, i'd been wearing spectacles for more than half my life till i had the operation.

  5. #25

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    Originally posted by long

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    Yes, I worried about not being to do photography due to severe hazing or halo-ing or sensitivity to glare.

    There's slight halo at night looking at bright lights or vehicle head lights. But I had mild astigmatism previously and with specs that are slightly dirty, its very hazy/"halo-y" anyway, so I dun feel any diff.

    To those who've done it, how long did you have to wait for things to be sharp/clear? I'm into my 1st week (did it last Wed), and things still not "sharp" leh... a little kan cheong ... doctor gave a very wide range of 1 week to 1 month...
    Now also, at night, those traffic lights and headlights got halo and like flare...

    ..NuTs..

  6. #26

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    For me it took around 2 - 3 weeks to more or less stablize. But still every once in a while the vision was not too sharp (up to about 6 weeks). Mainly due to dryness. As for the haloing, during the 1st month it was quite terrible at night. For me the left eye has zero haloing now but the right eye has a little bit but it does not bother me at all. I think the haloing thing is the biggest risk, especially if you are unlucky and its permanent on your camera viewfinder eye.

    Originally posted by nuts


    To those who've done it, how long did you have to wait for things to be sharp/clear? I'm into my 1st week (did it last Wed), and things still not "sharp" leh... a little kan cheong ... doctor gave a very wide range of 1 week to 1 month...
    Now also, at night, those traffic lights and headlights got halo and like flare...

    ..NuTs..

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    Takes a month to stabilize sufficiently to say. Gets better slightly over next few months as well. I really dun find much halo. I felt wearing specs with astigmatism was worse.

    At least Lasik corrects mild astig too.

    But that could be b'cos my degrees quite mild (500 & 275 or so only, about 100 degrees astig).

    I've never had any history of dry eye problems as well, so not a problem at all now. Initial month yes, abit dry.

    Put the lubricating eye drop dilligently. It helps. Dun use it only when u feel the dryness cos ur nerves are not fully able to let u know its dry even though it is.

    For those who r considering, managing the expectations quite important as well. The consultation will help straighten that out.

    I've known friends who expect 6/9 or 6/12 (able to drive without needing to wear specs) only and were absolutely delighted.

    For those who expect an Olympic shooter's eyesight after Lasik, u're gonna be one difficult person to please.

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    Originally posted by qhelix

    700-900 is not that bad??? Then what do you consider bad?
    erm those more of over 1k i feel its bad...personally i m at abt 700...i think i can still live with it....

    I m still comfortable with my contacts.... i mean to each his own.

    Everyone has different standards of comforts, so its up to one to determine his needs/wants.

    Maybe becos i feel its a bit too cumbersome to me hence my opinions may seem a little personal. But if it works for u...y not...

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    Originally posted by Xeviouss


    erm those more of over 1k i feel its bad...personally i m at abt 700...i think i can still live with it....

    I m still comfortable with my contacts.... i mean to each his own.

    Everyone has different standards of comforts, so its up to one to determine his needs/wants.

    Maybe becos i feel its a bit too cumbersome to me hence my opinions may seem a little personal. But if it works for u...y not...
    Hmm...I guess if you put it that way...I'm a 550 and 600, good thing there's contacts. Wonder what's the highest degree for contact lens...

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    Originally posted by Derrick
    I had lasik done some time this year too. My degrees per eye was around 1200+. Did it at SNEC, one eye on a monday and the other eye the following day. My eyes are more or less perfect now, have nott worn spectacles since then. To me it was very worth it, i'd been wearing spectacles for more than half my life till i had the operation.
    So how much is the procedure for both eyes?

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    For those of u who want are thinking of going for eye surgery to correct yr respective problems, pse call the Singapore National Eye Centre at 62277255 or 62277266, email is vision2020@snec.com.sg.

    Good luck!

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    Originally posted by Xeviouss


    erm do it if u dun mind the risk.

    She got long sightedness n on top of that she still is short sighted. Cos laser treatment cant correct your eyesight to as good as that of a 6/6 .....but lower it if u are a person with very bad short sightedness. (sry very bad with words, hope dun confuse anyone reading)

    Each time after an op on one eye ( assuming u do one at one time...unless u dun mind being "temp" blind...cos u cant use that eye for 6 mths.) u have to depend on oni the other eye....this could cause the "lazy eye sydrome" to occur quite bad i think....

    If ur eye sight is nt too bad....i mean say ard 700-900 thereabts...try to live with it loh...
    Hmm, Xeviouss, what you have posted above are not correct or fallacious. Not sure if you have missed out the details. Could be myths that you've held.

    1. Assuming you are talking about the same eye, it is not possible for one to be long and short-sighted at the same time. Unless you're talking about "lau hwa yan" or presbyopia to mean long-sighted. This is a condition which usually affects people in their 40's and above. LASIK does not correct presbyopia. So the lady you mentioned probably didn't have sufficient corection for her myopic vision. She might want to consider "enhancement", where a 2nd surgery can be done.

    2. Not true that LASIK cannot correct to 6/6. There are a good majority of patients who achieve that after surgery and some even better, like 5/6. But doctors always caution their patients not to expect that as it has no guarantee. But it is possible. Varies from patient to patient and depends on the amount of correction needed.

    3. Not true (again!!!) that you have to wait for 6 months to do the other eye. Unless there is a serious reason why this has to be so. In the US, it is permissible to even do both eyes at the same time. Over here, most pple opt to do it after a few days to weeks after their first eye has been operated on.

    4. 700-900 "degrees" is usually labeled as severe to extreme myopic by ophthalmologists (eye doctors). Pretty bad in my opinion. May not seem so in Singapore cos most pple here suffer from myopia.
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    Originally posted by long
    Go for the surgery, its not as bad as it sounds!

    Its human nature to spread horror tales around like wildfire through word of mouth. However, most of the very happy post-Lasik patients dun get enough air time.

    & the statistics point out that the overwhelming majority of Lasik ops are successful. Dun take my word for it... ask the good ppl at Singapore National Eye Center for example.

    If I remember correctly, 60% get 6/6, 90% get 6/12 (legal driving requirement). Nobody has yet gone blind at SNEC yet.

    Lasik has a 10 year record in Singapore, longer if u're talking about worldwide (U.S. etc.).

    I agree with some parts above. Those pple with little knowledge of LASIK tend to spread some very untrue or scary stories. You must look for a good doctor of course and understand the procedure yourself.

    But I don't think LASIK has such a long history. The 10 years or so you mentioned most probably includes the older PRK and RK, which are rarely performed in the US now.

    Hmm, I don't have that good experience with SNEC. To begin with, I think they did a good PR job of lumping their docs' experience in PRK with LASIK and say they've done over 9,000 cases. BUT do note that a doctor who's good in PRK may not be as skilful in LASIK. PRK is a surgery easier to perform than LASIK as no corneal flap needs to be created from the eye.

    I'm quite shocked that a center as large as SNEC does not keep records of how many cases each doctor has performed. This is one very important question you must always ask the doctor first. It says a lot about his or her experience and in LASIK, experience is very important.

    In Singapore, I suppose pple place an overly high trust in the docs and give them all the confidence to treat them the way they deem fit. I tend to disagree, espcially where your precious eyes are concerned. I'm not saying to doubt your doctor the very first time but he or she has to be able to give you the hard facts. I find a good number of doctors over here are not used to patients asking them intelligent questions.

    Till now, I'm not really sure how many cases each specialist at the SNEC has performed as they claimed they do not keep such records. As I've mentione earlier, they tend to group their experience of PRK with LASIK together.

    Well, if you don't mind, I don't seriously think they are bad, but for me, I refuse to be treated by a doctor who can't answer that very first question. He didn't sound convincing too when I asked him other questions. More like I'm prompting him than he reassuring me. Nothing major should happen to my eyes but I still felt more confident to be treated by a more professional doctor who could put my fears and doubts at ease.
    Last edited by David; 12th September 2002 at 06:25 PM.

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    ok, gotta be patient then
    as for the part abt duration of operating 1 eye and then the other, mine was done on the same day, literally one after the other....

    ..NuTs..

    Originally posted by Derrick
    For me it took around 2 - 3 weeks to more or less stablize. But still every once in a while the vision was not too sharp (up to about 6 weeks). Mainly due to dryness. As for the haloing, during the 1st month it was quite terrible at night. For me the left eye has zero haloing now but the right eye has a little bit but it does not bother me at all. I think the haloing thing is the biggest risk, especially if you are unlucky and its permanent on your camera viewfinder eye.
    Originally posted by long
    Takes a month to stabilize sufficiently to say. Gets better slightly over next few months as well. I really dun find much halo. I felt wearing specs with astigmatism was worse.

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    I dun wear specs when i'm out for shooting as i dun feel comfortable with it. I got "astics" onli.

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    I wear specs and/or contact lens. Depends on the day of the week.
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    Not silly poll man...i hate wearning specs because my eyesight sucks! damn. how i wish dont need to wear specs, even not taking photos, its irritating too. AAARGHHH LASIK.

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    I can take pics with my specs, but prefer not to. I have a diopteradjustment on my cam, so I usually dial that in to give me clear vision when looking through the viewfinder without my specs.
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    wow. old thread.
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    Is Lasik very safe actually, now, on year 2008? If they do a mistake, u pay for it, its not good, no matter how much compensation they give you...

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