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    But if real objective is peace than the World leaders have failed miserably... this problem now becomes bigger... that is not what so many homes destroyed, $billions lost, innocent lives were lost for?... it is like a game for the super powers.

    The US game plan has caused a small step forward with two giant steps backward. Saudi and Egyptian governments are so going to loose clout over the region, a bad situation made worse!!!

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    QOTD: If everyone is rich, then who is really rich? -AReality©

    Someone must suffer worse fate than us, else what's the point?


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    Imagine that a foreign army invades your country and drops a bomb on your house that kills your loved ones. You’re enraged, so you resist. But you’re overmatched by the occupiers’ firepower, so your only chance to dislodge them is to wreak havoc through asymmetrical warfare. Your opponents won’t call it that, though. They’ll call it terrorism. And once they own that word, they win.

    "It’s a cliché to say that one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter. Before they had a state of their own, the Zionists of Palestine were terrorists by anyone’s definition. Members of the Stern gang and Irgun bombed a variety of civilian targets like the King David Hotel and Jerusalem train station in their bid to create a Jewish state in the Levant. Once they achieved their goals and established Israel in 1949, the terrorists got a new identity: founding fathers. So it was their turn to decide who the terrorists were, and the label was decisively pinned to the Palestinians, who were justifiably upset at being driven off their land. Five decades on, Israelis still manage to control the discourse that frames Palestinians as the bad guys while Israeli terrorists appear on postage stamps and their names grace buildings and monuments throughout the country."



    Terrorism, of course, has a long history. The word dates to the “reign of terror” during the French Revolution, but the practice of threatening and killing innocent people for political or ideological ends is thousands of years old. It should be a straight-forward enough thing to define. We know terrorism is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to intimidate societies or governments for political reasons. But somehow in practice it becomes confusing. Because, really, who decides who gets to be labeled a terrorist?

    Possessing your own state is key to controlling the way the word terrorist is used, but having Uncle Sam in your corner helps too. In 1980s Afghanistan, mujahadeen fighters opposed to Soviet occupation often targeted civilian targets like schools and routinely tortured and murdered soldiers that fell into their clutches. But since they were furthering US interests and using the resources of the cia, American officials insisted they were noble freedom fighters rather than terrorists. Problem was, they became a little too radical, and former mujahadeen fighters like Osama bin Laden later decided it was cool to slam planes into American buildings. So the freedom fighters became terrorists.

    Nelson Mandela experienced the opposite reversal. Critics like Reagan and Margaret Thatcher condemned him as a terrorist – and a communist to boot – because he advocated violent resistance against South Africa’s apartheid government and helped found the African National Congress’ armed faction. Now, of course, Mandela is one of the planet’s most revered statesmen and has a Nobel Peace Prize under his belt.

    Reagan also famously declared that the Contras of Nicaragua were “freedom fighters” and the “moral equivalent of our founding fathers.” This is the same group that Human Rights Watch denounced as “major and systematic violators of the most basic standards of the laws of armed conflict, including by launching indiscriminate attacks on civilians, selectively murdering non-combatants, and mistreating prisoners.”


    Of course, talk of attacks on civilians and prisoner abuses brings to mind one of the world’s most deadly terrorist outfits: the US government. American officials bristle at the suggestion, but it’s impossible to deny that American military campaigns have political and ideological purposes in addition to a combat purpose. “Shock and awe”anyone? So while the specifics of US tactics may differ from those of the Iraqi insurgents they’re skirmishing with, the crux of their differences often comes down to language.

    In war, some civilians are killed by improvised explosive devices strapped to religious fanatics. Some are killed by soldiers who beat and rape prisoners for kicks. For the victims, the impact is the same. But for those who frame the discourse, it is essential that the “enemy’s” actions are entirely and utterly different than “ours.” So anyone “fighting for freedom” gets a wide berth. Anyone engaged in “terror” is heaped with scorn.

    Win the battle of the use of those words, and you’re half way towards winning the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AReality
    Here's a good documentary on what actually happened.
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...23714384920696
    270MB, but worth the wait.

    But it left me more qns than answers...

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    Thanks AReality for sharing this link. This is a real eye and ear-opener!

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    Terrorist or Freedom fighters.

    Figures speak for themselves

    Lebanonese Casualties : 810 of which most are civilians
    Israelite Casualities: 157 of which 118 are military

    Maybe Im dumb but since when does a heavy non discriminatory strikes with heavy artillery and air strikes on civilian vehicles equate to fighting an enemy?

    Maybe Im dumb but what victory has Israel obtained according to Bush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg
    Maybe Im dumb but what victory has Israel obtained according to Bush?
    Here's your answer..
    http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9489
    The last one's really funny.


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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg
    Maybe Im dumb but what victory has Israel obtained according to Bush?
    I am not sure who is dumb, Bush or you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansel
    I am not sure who is dumb, Bush or you?

    Care to clarify your statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg
    Care to clarify your statement?

    Hehe.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by dkw
    God himself is faultless, the root of the problem is people.
    Spokeperson of GOD? Offical hired public relation of GOD?

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    you people are gonna love this:

    http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp


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