Comparing EOS 5D and a 1DS Mark II

[kenzi]

Hi guys,

Can I get some input on how good the EOS 5D is compared to the 1DS? I know that 1DS is of course much better simply by comparing the price between the 2. For someone who shoots for recreation, would an EOS 5D be sufficient?

THanks in advance for all replies....

Ken

[dEthANGeL]

Hmm ... let's see

Noise control - definitely the 5D would score better.
AF tracking - no horse run - 1 series

In a nut shell 1DsMk2 is a FF workhorse compared to the Mk2/n
5D would be the "20D/30D equivalent" FF workhorse - plus grip would set you back at least $5K

As for recreation, and if you're not the buy today, sell tomorrow type - why not. But 1 has to invest in good lenses as the digital FF brings up many lens issues (softness @ the edges) eg. 16-35. But if you're budget conscious - 30D would more than suffice - last i checked a 30D was going for $2K in BnS

Do correct me if i'm wrong.

[clicknick]

Originally Posted by kenzi Hi guys, Can I get some input on how good the EOS 5D is compared to the 1DS? I know that 1DS is of course much better simply by comparing the price between the 2. For someone who shoots for recreation, would an EOS 5D be sufficient? THanks in advance for all replies.... Ken

I know of people who buys the 1DsMk2 to shoot for recreation, but that's because they have the $. If you want the best and can afford the best and like the 1DsMk2, why not?

But to answer your question, for recreation, yes 5D is enough, because even a entry level DSLR like 350D or compact cam is enough for recreation.

Comparison of the 2 here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5d/page21.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1dsmkii/

[nickmak]

Really depends on what you want... doesn't mean if you have the dough you'll grab a 1DsMKII straight away... The 1DMKII is the Lamborghini of cameras...

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by kenzi Hi guys, Can I get some input on how good the EOS 5D is compared to the 1DS? I know that 1DS is of course much better simply by comparing the price between the 2. For someone who shoots for recreation, would an EOS 5D be sufficient? THanks in advance for all replies.... Ken

No offence Ken, but if that's your train of thought, then i believe the 350D will be sufficient.

[kenzi]

Originally Posted by Reflection No offence Ken, but if that's your train of thought, then i believe the 350D will be sufficient.

THanks for the reply. Could you explain this a wee bit more?

CHeers
Ken

[dreamtheatre]

I think you should open to the idea of getting the 1Ds (not Mk II). A used one in very good condition should be selling for about the same price as a new 5D(body only).

Just a suggestion.

DT

[kenzi]

Originally Posted by dreamtheatre I think you should open to the idea of getting the 1Ds (not Mk II). A used one in very good condition should be selling for about the same price as a new 5D(body only). Just a suggestion. DT

Yes, that's a really good idea... I didn't think of it before... Will seriously consider it.

Cheers
Ken

[dreamtheatre]

Originally Posted by kenzi Yes, that's a really good idea... I didn't think of it before... Will seriously consider it. Cheers Ken

glad you liked the idea

Things you may want to consider for the 1Ds
: it uses the DIGIC 1 engine, so general operation is slower (eg start-up time, buffering time etc) but you still get the same legendary 1 series AF performance. Note: it shoots 3 fps in continous mode.

: LCD is of the older generation. So it is not much use if you want ot review in outdoor daylight condition. Resolution is obviously poorer than today's dslr.

These are the 2 main 'disadvantages' I can think of, but if they don;t concern you due to your shooting style and habits, then it is a great 'budget' pro camera. ( can;t believe I used the word "budget' to describe a 1 series camera..hahaha )

DT

[dreamtheatre]

Originally Posted by dreamtheatre : LCD is of the older generation. So it is not much use if you want ot review in outdoor daylight condition. Resolution is obviously poorer than today's dslr. DT

Opps, just noticed a potential BIG mistake in my last reply:

'Resolution (OF THE LCD) is obviously poorer than todya's dslr."


wooo...

DT

[GOMUS]

this is a headache question for most of users who would like to upgrade! good luck, too much pro and con. finally it nails down to money too~

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by kenzi THanks for the reply. Could you explain this a wee bit more? CHeers Ken

Ken,

This is just my opinion and it doesn't reflect anything personal.

Price should never be a comparison of anything that you purchase. A more expensive item doesn't necessarily mean that it's better than the lower-end model that costs less. The above statements are true when you take into consideration of what you actually need.

Both the 1DsMk2 and the 5D are great cameras in their own right, and YES, the 1DsMk2 is indeed higher spec than the 5D. However, having said all that, i'm not encouraging you to take one camera over the other.

While walking down the road one day, i came across an individual who wore a t-shirt with text that read, "Half a loaf is better than none."
If you use that attitude into purchasing your camera, you will find that it's lacking somewhere down the road. Mind you, both cameras will exhibit this behaviour. Settle for less than the best, and you'll be left hanging down the road frustrated. Settle for nothing but the best, and you'll be equally frustrated.

So, what to do? I think you need to decide where you're planning to take this recreational activity before you decide on which camera to buy. Specs and price aside, both the 1DsMk2 and the 5D are built to cater to different markets, and you've got to figure out which one you belong to. SUVs that stick to urban areas are just as bad as a Mercedes M-Class trying to traverse the North Pole.

[Stoned]

Originally Posted by clicknick I know of people who buys the 1DsMk2 to shoot for recreation, but that's because they have the $. If you want the best and can afford the best and like the 1DsMk2, why not? But to answer your question, for recreation, yes 5D is enough, because even a entry level DSLR like 350D or compact cam is enough for recreation. Comparison of the 2 here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5d/page21.asp http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1dsmkii/

Well actually, for recreational usage, you would be looking for something with a smaller MP count. With such massive resolution, you would run into problems like needing greater card space, slower image processing speeds, amongst others. When you share the images with your friends and family they also do not appreciate such massive image sizes. More often than not, it just irritates regular folk. They would rather view a 6mp image than a 16mp one.

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by Stoned Well actually, for recreational usage, you would be looking for something with a smaller MP count. With such massive resolution, you would run into problems like needing greater card space, slower image processing speeds, amongst others. When you share the images with your friends and family they also do not appreciate such massive image sizes. More often than not, it just irritates regular folk. They would rather view a 6mp image than a 16mp one.

unfortunately, not many people recognise this, tim!

as my fren told me (he shoots regularly for constituency events), the RC people complained abt his 4MP file sizes being too big.... they actually wanted much smaller sizes for their newsletter publications. keke.... food for thot, eh?

for rec usage, a 350D or even the older models like D30, D60 or 300D will suffice, if u happened to be shooting once in a while. save the money for a good walkabt lens, IMO (eg 24-105L).

[Stoned]

Originally Posted by nightwolf75 unfortunately, not many people recognise this, tim! as my fren told me (he shoots regularly for constituency events), the RC people complained abt his 4MP file sizes being too big.... they actually wanted much smaller sizes for their newsletter publications. keke.... food for thot, eh? for rec usage, a 350D or even the older models like D30, D60 or 300D will suffice, if u happened to be shooting once in a while. save the money for a good walkabt lens, IMO (eg 24-105L).

That's the really hilarious thing about some people who go for the top of the line models. I know some people who buy 10+MP cameras and use the smallest resolution setting of 4MP all the time. They NEVER ever use anything larger. When I asked why, they said, oh to pack more photos into 1 card. Weirdos.

[clicknick]

Originally Posted by Stoned Well actually, for recreational usage, you would be looking for something with a smaller MP count. With such massive resolution, you would run into problems like needing greater card space, slower image processing speeds, amongst others. When you share the images with your friends and family they also do not appreciate such massive image sizes. More often than not, it just irritates regular folk. They would rather view a 6mp image than a 16mp one.

Some people like to print large prints for recreation also, so they want more MPs. Not everyone like to view pics from monitor.

[spartacus.ret]

isn't it obvious that a 1Ds Mk II is built for the professionals?

and besides comparing your AF, megapixel count, weather sealing, etc - you've still got to know that the 1 series bodies are designed differently and for the professional, changing from one 1 series doy to another wouldn't require much relearining.

the 5D is meant as a cheaper alternative to FF bodies, as well as a more affordable FF back-up body for professionals who are used to FF.

regarding your question, how good is a 5D compared to the 1Ds Mk II? i would say good enough for you since you already mentioned that you are a recrational shooter.

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by Stoned That's the really hilarious thing about some people who go for the top of the line models. I know some people who buy 10+MP cameras and use the smallest resolution setting of 4MP all the time. They NEVER ever use anything larger. When I asked why, they said, oh to pack more photos into 1 card. Weirdos.

hmm... dats sound pretty darn familiar. thot some time back some fella in CS posted the same rationale abt him/her/it shooting the lowest res possible to pack more pics?

[trlnlty]

both sucks for the recreational users..

dont save your money and cheat yourself in getting either.. just go for the 39mp hasse H2D .. you'll find it sufficient enough for your needs and able to print large prints.

remember high price = better..

this camera can be bought for 30k usd.. sure to be good one

[kenzi]

Originally Posted by trlnlty both sucks for the recreational users.. dont save your money and cheat yourself in getting either.. just go for the 39mp hasse H2D .. you'll find it sufficient enough for your needs and able to print large prints. remember high price = better.. this camera can be bought for 30k usd.. sure to be good one

Okie... will start saving