Speedlite 420EX

[Kevin]

Hi, can someone advise me whether the standard Speedlite 420EX package come with Stofen omnibounce? Does it have any slave trigger by flash instead of the wireless one?

Thanks--

[drafting88]

I can only answer the first question. No, it doesnt come with the Omnibounce. However, you will get a soft case to keep the flash.

[darr]

slave trigger by flash means you will have to use off the shelf triggers to connect to the hotshoe. however canon flashes got inbuilt circuitry to prevent remote triggerring. anyway the canon remote flash system is so superior i dont see the need to have cumbersome cords or slave triggers.

if you want to, get cheap flashes.....420ex can easily get you 2 metz or sunpak flashes and with manual control...wat for u buy such a big autoflash....either u get the 550ex or 220ex....anything in between are absolutely unjustified

[Kevin]

Quote: Originally posted by darr slave trigger by flash means you will have to use off the shelf triggers to connect to the hotshoe. however canon flashes got inbuilt circuitry to prevent remote triggerring. anyway the canon remote flash system is so superior i dont see the need to have cumbersome cords or slave triggers. if you want to, get cheap flashes.....420ex can easily get you 2 metz or sunpak flashes and with manual control...wat for u buy such a big autoflash....either u get the 550ex or 220ex....anything in between are absolutely unjustified

Hmms, 2 Metzs, that is a good point. I am asking for flash trigger so that I can use the 420EX on my Oly 2040 also. I am looking at 420EX because I was told that G3 work with 420EX on e-TTL/TTL. Is the TTL great? I don't like manual flash BTW because I am lazy. I was looking at Metz initially since Metz has diff adaptors for diff DC models but was told by CP that Metz only give auto flash on G3!

[Kevin]

Quote: Originally posted by drafting88 I can only answer the first question. No, it doesnt come with the Omnibounce. However, you will get a soft case to keep the flash.

Thanks, are you using the 420EX with your G2? I thot it come with Omnibounce since people selling Speedlite with Omnibounce together as one package.

Quote: Originally posted by darr if you want to, get cheap flashes.....420ex can easily get you 2 metz or sunpak flashes and with manual control...wat for u buy such a big autoflash....either u get the 550ex or 220ex....anything in between are absolutely unjustified [/b]

Hmmm...I disagree with this. Do they still sell the 220EX? The 420EX has a higher guide number. As for he 550EX, Wow! It's expensive and there are many functions which one may not need. It's also heavy and bulky.

At the end of the day, of cos like lenses and bodies, it depends on your needs. But I can say the 420EX is a good all-rounder for most situations experienced by beginning and advanced amateurs.

[drafting88]

Quote: Originally posted by Kevin Thanks, are you using the 420EX with your G2? I thot it come with Omnibounce since people selling Speedlite with Omnibounce together as one package.

Hi Kevin,

Yes, Im using the 420EX with my G2. The Omnibounce has to be bought separately. Mostly, it has been quoted being sold at $28. I might be buying it soon.

[beluga]

Quote: Originally posted by Kiwi Hmmm...I disagree with this. Do they still sell the 220EX? The 420EX has a higher guide number. As for he 550EX, Wow! It's expensive and there are many functions which one may not need. It's also heavy and bulky. At the end of the day, of cos like lenses and bodies, it depends on your needs. But I can say the 420EX is a good all-rounder for most situations experienced by beginning and advanced amateurs.

I second that... In addition, if you are using a canon camera, it gives you a full ETTL control. Other 3rd party flash will always flash in full strength. 420EX is not that far away from 550EX in term of flash power.

[Kevin]

Quote: Originally posted by drafting88 Hi Kevin, Yes, Im using the 420EX with my G2. The Omnibounce has to be bought separately. Mostly, it has been quoted being sold at $28. I might be buying it soon.

Might follow you to buy if I get the 420EX on time.

[NorthernLights]

Hi,

Does ETTL work on G2 or G3 Digital cams?

sohet

[mpenza]

Quote: Originally posted by beluga I second that... In addition, if you are using a canon camera, it gives you a full ETTL control. Other 3rd party flash will always flash in full strength. 420EX is not that far away from 550EX in term of flash power.

Not exactly... check out:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~vahonen/...o/G1flash.html

Streetshooter is also using Achiever 260T (an automatic flash) on his D30....

[Kevin]

Quote: Originally posted by sohet Hi, Does ETTL work on G2 or G3 Digital cams? sohet

According to maual, yes for G3 on 420EX eTTL works.

[Kevin]

Quote: Originally posted by mpenza Not exactly... check out: http://www.students.tut.fi/~vahonen/...o/G1flash.html Streetshooter is also using Achiever 260T (an automatic flash) on his D30....

Sorry KC, didn't get your point! You are saying don't need 420EX, any 3rd party flash will do or eTTL is no good?

[beluga]

Quote: Originally posted by mpenza Not exactly... check out: http://www.students.tut.fi/~vahonen/...o/G1flash.html Streetshooter is also using Achiever 260T (an automatic flash) on his D30....

Yea, I read that some Metz flash do work seamlessly.. but have to be careful... some may not work and some may even fry the camera... only unless very sure of the models...

[mervin420]

All later model of canon cameras come with ETTL. i believe the last camera with ATTL or TTL is the EOS5.

the G2 and G3 cameras support ETTL with ALL Canon EX Speedlight Flashes. 550, 420, 380, 220.

ETTL is just a marketing gimic by canon. But its wireless flash remote using the 550EX or ST-E2 coupled with a few slave 420s or 550s is fantastic. no more the need to meter. just shoot and the flash lightings will be perfect.



Get the 420, for digital users, coz the 550 will be a tad too heavy for ur d-camera setup.

[Phil]

I dun think Omibounce is that fantastic..

It actually introduce hot spot on shots /w reflective surface..

If I mount e Omibounce on my 420EX tilt @ 75 deg & shot ppl /w glasses.. I will get hotspot around e glasses frame & lens.

If I shot juz /w 420EX @ e same angle or higher bouncing e flash off e ceiling.. I get quite good illumination of e same subject w/o e hot spot problem.

Is this normal 4 Omibounce or I m not using it correctly?

Phil

Quote: Originally posted by mervin420 ETTL is just a marketing gimic by canon. But its wireless flash remote using the 550EX or ST-E2 coupled with a few slave 420s or 550s is fantastic. no more the need to meter. just shoot and the flash lightings will be perfect.

Has anyone tried using the 420EX as slave? I did, and I couldn't get proper flash exposure. All my shots were over-exposed with the 420EX! I believe it's because there isn't any manual override in this flash, unlike the 550EX.

Makes me wonder about how the "ETTL" feature works in a master-slave setup.... I thought the flash is supposed to automatically adjust its ouput?

[mpenza]

Quote: Originally posted by Kevin Sorry KC, didn't get your point! You are saying don't need 420EX, any 3rd party flash will do or eTTL is no good?

hmm....was just trying to say that you could use an automatic flash if you do not want to spend too much on a flash that does ettl. ETTL does have it's advantages but the external flash implementation on cameras like G1 was a bit strange and some people have found normal automatic flash gives them greater flexibility.

[Kevin]

Quote: Originally posted by mpenza hmm....was just trying to say that you could use an automatic flash if you do not want to spend too much on a flash that does ettl. ETTL does have it's advantages but the external flash implementation on cameras like G1 was a bit strange and some people have found normal automatic flash gives them greater flexibility.

I see. Thanks...

[mervin420]

Quote: Originally posted by Kiwi Has anyone tried using the 420EX as slave? I did, and I couldn't get proper flash exposure. All my shots were over-exposed with the 420EX! I believe it's because there isn't any manual override in this flash, unlike the 550EX. Makes me wonder about how the "ETTL" feature works in a master-slave setup.... I thought the flash is supposed to automatically adjust its ouput?

how did u set up the 420EX to work as a slave ?
my setup is by attaching the 550EX to the hotshoe of my camera, then place the 420EX at the position i want it.

Just take a picture and fire off the flash in normal / auto mood.
the 550EX will do the calculations and set up both its flash and the slave 420EX flash settings to ensure that everything taken will be correctly exposed. the wonders of E-TTL.



no problems with exposure so far with this set up.