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  • Be the angel, give them a lecture on how Ls, trinities and Gs would not improve their photos

    7 25.00%
  • Be the angel but a shortlived one.... and play the devil's advocate of BBBB~~~

    9 32.14%
  • Be the angel, recommend 3rd parties and show ur portfolio all on 3rd parties

    7 25.00%
  • I'm Satan Incarnate, I'm Lucifer, I'm going to tell them to BUY BUY BUY!

    5 17.86%
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    Quote Originally Posted by JediForce4ever
    I would think that newbies should not visit this forum to kena the BBB virus
    Well,

    that's a short time prevention only. When they try the cheaper lenses and the kit lenses, they may feel happy with it at first. But as time progresses, they may feel inadequate if their shooting styles requires more oomph from their gear.

    As it is, I took quite some time to learn as well, thru trial and error. Wasted film, wasted shots due to my lousy skills. But as we do learn the skills required for proper shooting techniques, there may be a point when we do wish for better lenses (faster ones) so we can shoot in low light, fast speed, etc...

    And as we get the next higher range of cam bodies, the older lenses (lower end ones) may not hack the job well. That's when the BBB virus will hit... and pretty hard too.
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    i always ask them for their budget and tell them to get the basics right before slurging on camera and lenses
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    I always tell them to shoot a minimum of 5000 frames before they start to think about getting another lens. No one ever take this advise, and all of them complained that the 2nd or 3rd lens is not exactly what they want.

    Damn, how can they know exactly what they want, they don't even know what they like to shoot.
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    Hmm.... if that's the case, might as well tell them to get a Prosumer level camera to begin with and get a SLR system only when they decided to specialise in certain genres?

    The cheap availability of entry-level DSLRs, the economy and the urge to shoot 'just about everything' instead of specialising is probably one of the contributing factors to "Buy Buy Buy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zac08
    Well,

    that's a short time prevention only. When they try the cheaper lenses and the kit lenses, they may feel happy with it at first. But as time progresses, they may feel inadequate if their shooting styles requires more oomph from their gear.

    As it is, I took quite some time to learn as well, thru trial and error. Wasted film, wasted shots due to my lousy skills. But as we do learn the skills required for proper shooting techniques, there may be a point when we do wish for better lenses (faster ones) so we can shoot in low light, fast speed, etc...

    And as we get the next higher range of cam bodies, the older lenses (lower end ones) may not hack the job well. That's when the BBB virus will hit... and pretty hard too.
    Actually I think the feeling of inadequacy stems from equipment talk.

    When people start comparing their high-end lenses, Canon L, Nikkor Trinity, Minolta G. Newbie Photographers suddenly become aware that beyond the wide and excellent range of consumer grade lenses available to them extends beyond that and into the professional range which it seems like "everyone's touting the excellence of these lenses", a feeling of insecurity hits them and they begin to nitpick on silly minute details (sharpness is usually the keyword) which isn't an issue and began to sing praises on Professional grade lens when they can't actually tell the difference between two 4R photos one taken with a Professional grade lens and one with a consumer grade lens by the same photographer.

    Equipment talk more over photograph talk causing all these?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    Actually I think the feeling of inadequacy stems from equipment talk.

    When people start comparing their high-end lenses, Canon L, Nikkor Trinity, Minolta G. Newbie Photographers suddenly become aware that beyond the wide and excellent range of consumer grade lenses available to them extends beyond that and into the professional range which it seems like "everyone's touting the excellence of these lenses", a feeling of insecurity hits them and they begin to nitpick on silly minute details (sharpness is usually the keyword) which isn't an issue and began to sing praises on Professional grade lens when they can't actually tell the difference between two 4R photos one taken with a Professional grade lens and one with a consumer grade lens by the same photographer.

    Equipment talk more over photograph talk causing all these?
    Could be... But when one has tried both lenses and sees the difference, that's when you would really start to consider if getting a higher end lens is needed.

    I am currently using a 70 - 300 G f4 - 5.6 lens and at low light, it is really murder to get a decent focus, not to mention the hunting time for it to focus correctly. And the other day, I had the opportunity to try out a 70 - 200 f2.8VR and I can tell you, it was WOAH...

    Now, it's on my wishlist and I am seriously saving up for one (hopefully I dun have to wait too long)


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    Maybe focusing issues aside. But how abt comparing picture quality of a trinity vs a consumer grade lens on a 4R picture (assuming both are taken by the same photographer with good skills, metered and focused exactly at the same point for both pictures)?

    Most can't tell the diff I bet. But what's it about someone, extremely new in photography comments on a 4R photo, "This one taken with what? 70-300? Lousy. *rattles abt the negatives of the lens*."

    "This one taken with what? 70-200 f/2.8VR? Good. *rattles abt the positives of the lens*."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    Maybe focusing issues aside. But how abt comparing picture quality of a trinity vs a consumer grade lens on a 4R picture (assuming both are taken by the same photographer with good skills, metered and focused exactly at the same point for both pictures)?

    Most can't tell the diff I bet. But what's it about someone, extremely new in photography comments on a 4R photo, "This one taken with what? 70-300? Lousy. *rattles abt the negatives of the lens*."

    "This one taken with what? 70-200 f/2.8VR? Good. *rattles abt the positives of the lens*."
    I am probably unable to tell, but if it was taken with a large aperture, there may be some tell-tale signs such as good bokeh, etc.

    Also the higher MP cams will show up the differences from the lenses. How much, I won't know until there is proper testing to show.
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