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    Quote Originally Posted by jeryltan
    I prefer exotic Like Johannah Adams.. http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthrea...johannah+adams
    As best as I know, Johannah Adams is a Malay, perhaps a westernised and liberated one. She changed her name to a western one. In all honesty, my opinion of her was changed since her no-show to a photo shoot a friend and I arranged with her late last year. Cost for booking the venue was wasted, and she never returned our calls to explain, not even in my recent e-mail to her through ClubSnap. I have decided to let it pass.

    Modeling, at least with the models or model wannabes who are serious about it, is really a job, especially if the model is paid. The model arrives at the location/studio as intructed by your hirer/employer, just like you do at the office/factory. Professionalism, as with any other job you do, still holds paramount importance. Having said that, I would agree with Deadpoet on the his opinons about professional attitudes with models, freelance or agency-exclusive.
    Last edited by Jemapela; 8th June 2006 at 03:38 PM.

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    Oh ok.. Didn't know about the no-show thingy.. But I know for sure she is not 100% Malay But you're right, professionalism definitely impt..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jemapela
    As best as I know, Johannah Adams is a Malay, perhaps a westernised and liberated one. She changed her name to a western one. In all honesty, my opinion of her was changed since her no-show to a photo shoot a friend and I arranged with her late last year. Cost for booking the venue was wasted, and she never returned our calls to explain, not even in my recent e-mail to her through ClubSnap. I have decided to let it pass.

    Modeling, at least with the people who are serious about it, is really a job, especially if the model is paid. The model arrives at the location/studio as intructed by your hirer/employer, just like you do at the office/factory. Professionalism, as with any other job you do, still holds paramount importance.

  3. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    I prefer models who are seasoned, who are professional in their approach to a shoot, and who can deliver the look that I want to shoot.

    Personally, I prefer blondes, but nomatter how beautiful said blonde is, if she cannot pose, if she is camera shy, and if she is not into modelling, my camera will stay in the bag!
    I totally agree with you about the need and benefit of a seasoned model who has a professional attitude towards their modeling work. In the beginning, I spent a few years photographing friends, some of whom who were good-lookers. Their pretty faces may have helped me create pretty images but over the years, I realised that the image surpasses the "Fail" mark only because their pretty faces made it eye-candy.

    With all cruel honesty, finding pretty faces to photograph isn't very difficult. Executing an eye-candy photo shoot isn't a tough task. I realised this even more since I landed in Australia, and gradually grew to dislike the eye-candy images I have shot in S'pore.

    Again, I agree with you about camera-shy people who are not photogenic (naturally unihibited in front of the camera). With such subjects, it's really difficult to get impactful images. I know this all too well because I serve hordes of customers in my work place studio, and encountered my fair share of stiff wooden blocks. They stiffen in front of the camera, and I have to wrestle them into a pose. Without exaggeration, I felt I was photographing mannequins.

    Yes me too, I love blondes, especiallly the ones with blue eyes. The world loves blondes yeah?
    Last edited by Jemapela; 8th June 2006 at 03:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    We all know you like messy hairs, blurred stuffs and on occasion, those out of focus pictures. But I really do not get your point here. Are you suggesting that since Peter Lindberg shot some of the most beautiful and famous women with messy hair, then messy hair is fine, should be accepted, embraced, loved but not ridiculed?

    Looking back again at the pictures, both Cindy's and Claudia's hair, I see the handy works of stylists, working hard to make the hair messy. These two pictures, the hairs are messed up, but random they are not.

    From Lindbert to Litchfield, it does not matter, messy hair is messy hair and I still HATE MESSY HAIR. Well, I won't refused Cindy Crawford, messy hair or not, but if I have my choice ...

    The point is, if you still do not get it, is that messy hair, per se, is not a problem. Nor is blurry or out of focus images.

    At the end, it is how the image comes out in its totality that matters.

    Your "obsession" with messy hair, in the way you criticised images with messy hair, gives a very wrong impression (in my opinion, and opinions from much much much greater photographers such as Lindbergh) that messy hair is a no-no. It is the intent of the image that counts, and whether the intent was fufilled.

    The purpose of these images is to illustrate that messy hair is OK, if the final image carries the intent of the image. These images by Lindbergh is by no means the only ones with messy hair, and in one case, wrinkled forehead.

    You can ignore this advice I have for you. It is your photography, not mine.

    And this advice is, for a photographer like you (I am not talking to a newbie), to hell with rules. To hell with models approving your photographs. To hell with non-messy hair. And others.

    If you cage yourself with these restrictions, how can you expand? Or maybe you chose not to. Maybe your are comfortable with what you are doing, and wish to remain there.

    You wrote once that you were depressed with your images and spoke of more experimentation. How could you experiment when you mind is locked with your self -imposed restrictions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    The point is, if you still do not get it, is that messy hair, per se, is not a problem. Nor is blurry or out of focus images.

    At the end, it is how the image comes out in its totality that matters.

    Your "obsession" with messy hair, in the way you criticised images with messy hair, gives a very wrong impression (in my opinion, and opinions from much much much greater photographers such as Lindbergh) that messy hair is a no-no. It is the intent of the image that counts, and whether the intent was fufilled.

    The purpose of these images is to illustrate that messy hair is OK, if the final image carries the intent of the image. These images by Lindbergh is by no means the only ones with messy hair, and in one case, wrinkled forehead.

    You can ignore this advice I have for you. It is your photography, not mine.

    And this advice is, for a photographer like you (I am not talking to a newbie), to hell with rules. To hell with models approving your photographs. To hell with non-messy hair. And others.

    If you cage yourself with these restrictions, how can you expand? Or maybe you chose not to. Maybe your are comfortable with what you are doing, and wish to remain there.

    You wrote once that you were depressed with your images and spoke of more experimentation. How could you experiment when you mind is locked with your self -imposed restrictions?
    I'll go with you doc.

  6. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jemapela
    Yes me too, I love blondes, especiallly the ones with blue eyes. The world loves blondes yeah?
    Green eyes for me
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  7. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jemapela
    I totally agree with you about the need and benefit of a seasoned model who has a professional attitude towards their modeling work. In the beginning, I spent a few years photographing friends, some of whom who were good-lookers. Their pretty faces may have helped me create pretty images but over the years, I realised that the image surpasses the "Fail" mark only because their pretty faces made it eye-candy.

    With all cruel honesty, finding pretty faces to photograph isn't very difficult. Executing an eye-candy photo shoot isn't a tough task. I realised this even more since I landed in Australia, and gradually grew to dislike the eye-candy images I have shot in S'pore.

    Again, I agree with Deadpoet about camera-shy people who are not photogenic (naturally unihibited in front of the camera). With such subjects, it's really difficult to get impactful images. I know this all too well because I serve hordes of customers in my work place studio, and encountered my fair share of stiff wooden blocks. They stiffen in front of the camera, and I have to wrestle them into a pose. Without exaggeration, I felt I was photographing mannequins.

    Yes Deadpoet, I love blondes too, especiallly the ones with blue eyes.
    I can understand why you agree with DP. Not surprising at all. And I suspect 99.99% of Csers will agree with you and DP. Because basically you guys all take similar images. I just looked at your images. These are images that 99.99% of Csers churn out. If I want to churn out images like yours and DP's, I would agree with you too!

    Professionism and reliability, absolutely! This applies to all professions. But what are we photographing? Eye candies?

    You are right that making images of pretty ladies is not difficult at all. And to borrow a phrase from you, with cruel nonesty, neither is making images of a pretty lady playing a violin in a bedroom, or a pretty girl in a cowboyhat. In essence, how is that different from other eye candies?
    Last edited by student; 8th June 2006 at 04:19 PM.

  8. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    The point is, if you still do not get it, is that messy hair, per se, is not a problem. Nor is blurry or out of focus images.

    At the end, it is how the image comes out in its totality that matters.

    Your "obsession" with messy hair, in the way you criticised images with messy hair, gives a very wrong impression (in my opinion, and opinions from much much much greater photographers such as Lindbergh) that messy hair is a no-no. It is the intent of the image that counts, and whether the intent was fufilled.

    The purpose of these images is to illustrate that messy hair is OK, if the final image carries the intent of the image. These images by Lindbergh is by no means the only ones with messy hair, and in one case, wrinkled forehead.

    You can ignore this advice I have for you. It is your photography, not mine.

    And this advice is, for a photographer like you (I am not talking to a newbie), to hell with rules. To hell with models approving your photographs. To hell with non-messy hair. And others.

    If you cage yourself with these restrictions, how can you expand? Or maybe you chose not to. Maybe your are comfortable with what you are doing, and wish to remain there.

    You wrote once that you were depressed with your images and spoke of more experimentation. How could you experiment when you mind is locked with your self -imposed restrictions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt
    Hmm whoever have bigger assets will capture me 1st... honesty rules...

    budden... in Asia, most wan ang mo, then when u stay in ang mo country, u prefer asians...
    Woah... what shameless honesty but yes, it's so honest.

    It's generally true that in Asia, Caucasians would be seen as "exotic" and desirable although not every Asian would share that sentiment. The reverse is also generally true in western societies where Asians would be seen the same way.

    However, I have good reasons to suspect that Asians aren't as "hot" in the eyes of many Caucasians as we might think. It won't be easy to discuss and debate this issue completely and convincingly but I will briefly list a few points down. (You don't have to subscribe to my observations/opinions although you might want to keep them in mind.)

    1) Asians are shorter, and many lack height to strut the fashion runway.
    2) Asians are smaller, whether it's breasts or pectorals.
    3) Asians look similar, and lack variety in natural hair and eye colour.
    4) Asians tend to be more inhibited, tightly-clenched and overly face-saving.
    5) Asians tend to be more conservative, hence won't do this and won't do that.

    If you observe the Australia-based Asian models' online profiles, many won't do swimwear, or lingerie, or nudity. Be surprised, even here in Australia in this modern day, I still encounter face-to-face in-person Asians who tell me swimwear is porno. (Mind you, they are studying/working in Australia. ) Coincidentally, these narrow-minded Asian models' profiles also remain stagnant, without updates of new images. Your gut tells you that they don't get modeling work/offers from Aussie photographers.
    Last edited by Jemapela; 8th June 2006 at 10:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    I can understand why you agree with DP. Not surprising at all. And I suspect 99.99% of Csers will agree with you and DP. Because basically you guys all take similar images. I just looked at your images. These are images that 99.99% of Csers churn out. If I want to churn out images like yours and DP's, I would agree with you too!
    My dear student, ... this 99.99% is wrong la, in any way you count. This is equivalent to 10,000 Csers, 1 is the odd one out. But I don't think Cs got so many members, right?
    Or maybe if you are right, are you saying you also shoot like one of us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised
    My dear student, ... this 99.99% is wrong la, in any way you count. This is equivalent to 10,000 Csers, 1 is the odd one out. But I don't think Cs got so many members, right?
    Or maybe if you are right, are you saying you also shoot like one of us?

    Of course you are so right! So very right!

    You rightly pointed out my errors! I was wrong! There are so many of people like you around that I thought one Canonised was a thousand! You seem to be popping out every where sprouting such wisdom that I honeslty thought there was a thousand little Canonisedes. And of course, there are others like you!

    So I was confused!

    Thank you! Thank you!

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    Aren't we getting a little personal here?

    I don't start fights, but I finish fights. Don't pull me into a fight either, I will choose sides, usually against the side that pulls me in. And to the bystanders who stick their heads in, collateral damage is fair and square.

    Should we all agree to stand down for a bit? If not, gloves are off.
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  13. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    Unlike DP, I do not look for models who are seasoned, professional and can deliver looks.

    I do not care if the model can pose or not.

    Primarily, what I look for are models who are not into how they look, but into who they are. I am not really interested in models who are so full of "themselves".

    I want to make images of women who are first of all, women.
    Very well said - Doc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    Send them to us. We can train them for you.

    Many that have been trained by SCers can now climb trees and pluck fruits.

    HAHA!! you sound like you are parodying that employer who asked her Indonesian maid to go climb trees and prune leaves or whatever - she said something to the effect of - But I thought that's what all of them do in Indonesia - climb trees all the time - haha!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeryltan
    Oh ok.. Didn't know about the no-show thingy.. But I know for sure she is not 100% Malay But you're right, professionalism definitely impt..
    Um - WHAT is 100% Malay??? Just curious... And why is she not 100% Malay???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mau_lovers
    HAHA!! you sound like you are parodying that employer who asked her Indonesian maid to go climb trees and prune leaves or whatever - she said something to the effect of - But I thought that's what all of them do in Indonesia - climb trees all the time - haha!!!
    Yes those girls climb trees in the day and probably have to climb beds in the night.

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    She's mixed as far as I know.. Formula is a bit complicated

    Quote Originally Posted by mau_lovers
    Um - WHAT is 100% Malay??? Just curious... And why is she not 100% Malay???

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    Our dear sister asked a simple question : What kindda girls do you prefer?
    Brudders here gave long long answers about the kind that they love. For the benefit of those who hate to read long answers, here is a pictorial version, which is worth more than 1,000 words each ....










    always the Light, .... always.

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    I think 1 will like bushy n curly hair the other clean n shaven

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