Dynax 5D Vs Dynax 7D

[smtan24]

Just curious about the difference between these 2 models. I heard that Dyanx 5D out performs the 7D in certain aspects.

[rOnGrEn]

hmmz..for differences in the specs.. you can refer to this page:
http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...rs/0206konica/
theres a table summarising the differences between 5d and 7d somewhere in the middle.

For actual difference in handling/feel/robustness/performance of the 2 cameras.. perharps fellow KM users with experience in both cameras can comment more? Just curious also... how does the 5d compare to the 7d in terms of AF and multiple shots fps speed?

I am currently using a 5d and i must say its quite a fine camera.. sufficient for my usage as a beginner, although sometimes i wished my 5d has some of the features the 7d has....like the option of Vertical Grip, built in PC socket, manual flash, etc...(although i eventually gotten myself a flash adaptor and the 5600hsd to overcome the 2nd n 3rd "complaint"). I was actually contemplating to upgrade to 7d but figured i would just wait and see what Sony has to offer.

[looka]

The 7D has better handling, better buffering and better build body. 5D is lighter with no PC socket which I think it shouldn't as it is design for general consumer, no vertical grip is what it is lacking. The upcoming Alpha 100 look similar to 5D but with 10Mpix. I guess it should be sitting between 5D and 7D. If Sony landed it as replacement to 5D it will be a killer. AS with 10Mpix at that low price, wow.

[Zenten]

7D drains the batts faster and has slower AF than the 5D .......

Only advantage it has over the 5D is that it has a bigger buffer and option of a VG ....... but you and I know that the latter is no longer a liability with so many hands-on users coming up with their own DIY VGs.

[TME]

The 7D has a really slow and rather inaccurate AF... I am looking actually to upgrade when Sony finally unveils a new DSLR when it is ready... I get quite annoyed when I need a quick shot and I dun get a focus lock even when using a f/2.8 lens... motion tracking is also lacking... and the flash exposure is pretty off sometimes (I am getting the hang of it) but it's not always so predictable like the 7... ooohhh... and the poor compatibility with some CF cards had me tearing my hair out... plus rather poor power consumption... I run through 2 3rd party NP-400 inside 6 hours of shooting taking about 200 shots... the LCD is on most of the time plus I do review shots immediately after a sequence... but that's pretty bad when my students' Casio/Canon/Pentax, etc... digicams spot a 3" LCD and they use it for viewfinding and the batteries last 2 days (granted they dun shoot as much as I do)...

[smtan24]

Originally Posted by TME The 7D has a really slow and rather inaccurate AF... I am looking actually to upgrade when Sony finally unveils a new DSLR when it is ready... I get quite annoyed when I need a quick shot and I dun get a focus lock even when using a f/2.8 lens... motion tracking is also lacking... and the flash exposure is pretty off sometimes (I am getting the hang of it) but it's not always so predictable like the 7... ooohhh... and the poor compatibility with some CF cards had me tearing my hair out... plus rather poor power consumption... I run through 2 3rd party NP-400 inside 6 hours of shooting taking about 200 shots... the LCD is on most of the time plus I do review shots immediately after a sequence... but that's pretty bad when my students' Casio/Canon/Pentax, etc... digicams spot a 3" LCD and they use it for viewfinding and the batteries last 2 days (granted they dun shoot as much as I do)...

Even after the firmware upgrade. I thought they fix some of the problem.

[AncientMariner]

Originally Posted by TME The 7D has a really slow and rather inaccurate AF... I am looking actually to upgrade when Sony finally unveils a new DSLR when it is ready... I get quite annoyed when I need a quick shot and I dun get a focus lock even when using a f/2.8 lens... motion tracking is also lacking... and the flash exposure is pretty off sometimes (I am getting the hang of it) but it's not always so predictable like the 7... ooohhh... and the poor compatibility with some CF cards had me tearing my hair out... plus rather poor power consumption... I run through 2 3rd party NP-400 inside 6 hours of shooting taking about 200 shots... the LCD is on most of the time plus I do review shots immediately after a sequence... but that's pretty bad when my students' Casio/Canon/Pentax, etc... digicams spot a 3" LCD and they use it for viewfinding and the batteries last 2 days (granted they dun shoot as much as I do)...

A D2Xs wd be the right cam for you.

[TME]

Originally Posted by smtan24 Even after the firmware upgrade. I thought they fix some of the problem.

Not quite good enough... the write time is faster but no where compared to Canon or Nikon... the AF wasn't really fixed... the flash exposure system is antiquated by today's standards... the 5600 is about 6 years old...

[synapseman]

7D has got more dedicated buttons and dials for specific functions, as well as the ability to store settings. This is a BIG feature if you're working in high-pressure situations. With the 5D, many settings can only be changed via menu options, and you can't store any presets. Which means if you forget to re-set your ISO and/or metering mode, then will have some problem liao.

[TME]

Originally Posted by synapseman 7D has got more dedicated buttons and dials for specific functions, as well as the ability to store settings. This is a BIG feature if you're working in high-pressure situations. With the 5D, many settings can only be changed via menu options, and you can't store any presets. Which means if you forget to re-set your ISO and/or metering mode, then will have some problem liao.

This is one plus point that outweighs most of what I raised... but I really do hope that the new Sony DSLRs will retain the external buttons and improve all the weaknesses... anyway Sony digicams dun have great AF capability... so I'm not hoping too hard... have to just live with it and work around it...

[synapseman]

Last night I shoot wedding with my 5D, the ballroom shots got some problem. Even with the 5600HS(D)'s focus assist light, I couldn't get a good lock on focus on subjects less than 2m away. There were a fair few shots where the camera reported focus confirmed, but it actually wasn't. I feel that the resoution of the LCD monitor isn't good enough to check for focus sharpness.

The lack of a vertical-grip is also another BIG issue, especially when you mount an ext. flash and take a lot of portrait shots. By end of the day, you can get a very sore wrist.

Anyway, I've now made it a habit to periodically check the ISO settings.

But all in all, the D5D is what it's supposed to be: A consumer-grade DSLR. You will definitely experience more than a few (but not insurmountable) inconveniences if you try to use it as your main workhorse.

[smtan24]

Originally Posted by synapseman Last night I shoot wedding with my 5D, the ballroom shots got some problem. Even with the 5600HS(D)'s focus assist light, I couldn't get a good lock on focus on subjects less than 2m away. There were a fair few shots where the camera reported focus confirmed, but it actually wasn't. I feel that the resoution of the LCD monitor isn't good enough to check for focus sharpness. The lack of a vertical-grip is also another BIG issue, especially when you mount an ext. flash and take a lot of portrait shots. By end of the day, you can get a very sore wrist. Anyway, I've now made it a habit to periodically check the ISO settings. But all in all, the D5D is what it's supposed to be: A consumer-grade DSLR. You will definitely experience more than a few (but not insurmountable) inconveniences if you try to use it as your main workhorse.

I think Minolta's old film base camera were one of the best. I shot my cousins wedding using and the shot on and I was using a 3600HS. Ihope Sony fixes all the problems with Dynax 5D and 7D.

[Zenten]

Originally Posted by smtan24 I think Minolta's old film base camera were one of the best. I shot my cousins wedding using and the shot on and I was using a 3600HS. Ihope Sony fixes all the problems with Dynax 5D and 7D.

Unlikely to be ironed in the next camera release ......... maybe a few models down the road.

Th next camera is very likely a 5D wannabe but with more MPs. You will need a larger CF card and bigger hard disk.

[TME]

Originally Posted by synapseman Last night I shoot wedding with my 5D, the ballroom shots got some problem. Even with the 5600HS(D)'s focus assist light, I couldn't get a good lock on focus on subjects less than 2m away. There were a fair few shots where the camera reported focus confirmed, but it actually wasn't. I feel that the resoution of the LCD monitor isn't good enough to check for focus sharpness. The lack of a vertical-grip is also another BIG issue, especially when you mount an ext. flash and take a lot of portrait shots. By end of the day, you can get a very sore wrist. Anyway, I've now made it a habit to periodically check the ISO settings. But all in all, the D5D is what it's supposed to be: A consumer-grade DSLR. You will definitely experience more than a few (but not insurmountable) inconveniences if you try to use it as your main workhorse.

I face this problem even in broad daylight... the algo that the AF uses does not seem to be very accurate... or at least it does not resolve plain surfaces very well... so if u focus on the face near the cheeks, or just below the eye where there are few contours... the AF will screw up and refuse to lock... whereas if u focus on the nose, eyes, lips where features are more defined, u get better and faster AF lock... I never had this problem with the Dynax 7... never had a OOF shot... but with the 7D, OOF has become a problem to circumvent especially when u need a quick shot...

I am hopeful that this AF problem can be solved quickly in the next release cos simply it is a software problem more than a hardware problem... it's how robust the algorithm is in figuring out whether or not the subject is in focus or not... certainly there are technical problems faced by the fact that the film plane is now missing and having a more reflective CCD surface will wreak havoc with the way the software interprets the data... but if Canon and Nikon can do it as well as Pentax and Olympus, I'm sure that the electronic wizards at Sony and KM can do it as well...

2 more days to the announcement...

I'll make my predictions here anyway... the new DSLR will be an improved 7D but pushed down one segment to the entry-level at a sub-S$2000 price point... this will really shake up the industry since u will be getting an almost semi-pro body with the price of an entry-level DSLR... I suspect that the replacement for the 7D will be a pro body at semi-pro prices and finally the pro body will be a full frame camera like the 1Ds but at 5D prices... that should be the way Sony will start to capture market share as they have indicated.... but the pro body will probably come along only like 2 years down the road... the upcoming camera will be the volume model while the 7D replacement will be the one that everyone raves about... and the one where the pros will try and say, hey, perhaps Sony has something that I can use... and then it will be time to make the transition to selling fully pro bodies for commercial work.... and once that cycle reaches its natural end... I suspect that we'll start seeing Sony-level prices for their DSLRs....

[smtan24]

Originally Posted by TME I face this problem even in broad daylight... the algo that the AF uses does not seem to be very accurate... or at least it does not resolve plain surfaces very well... so if u focus on the face near the cheeks, or just below the eye where there are few contours... the AF will screw up and refuse to lock... whereas if u focus on the nose, eyes, lips where features are more defined, u get better and faster AF lock... I never had this problem with the Dynax 7... never had a OOF shot... but with the 7D, OOF has become a problem to circumvent especially when u need a quick shot... I am hopeful that this AF problem can be solved quickly in the next release cos simply it is a software problem more than a hardware problem... it's how robust the algorithm is in figuring out whether or not the subject is in focus or not... certainly there are technical problems faced by the fact that the film plane is now missing and having a more reflective CCD surface will wreak havoc with the way the software interprets the data... but if Canon and Nikon can do it as well as Pentax and Olympus, I'm sure that the electronic wizards at Sony and KM can do it as well... 2 more days to the announcement... I'll make my predictions here anyway... the new DSLR will be an improved 7D but pushed down one segment to the entry-level at a sub-S$2000 price point... this will really shake up the industry since u will be getting an almost semi-pro body with the price of an entry-level DSLR... I suspect that the replacement for the 7D will be a pro body at semi-pro prices and finally the pro body will be a full frame camera like the 1Ds but at 5D prices... that should be the way Sony will start to capture market share as they have indicated.... but the pro body will probably come along only like 2 years down the road... the upcoming camera will be the volume model while the 7D replacement will be the one that everyone raves about... and the one where the pros will try and say, hey, perhaps Sony has something that I can use... and then it will be time to make the transition to selling fully pro bodies for commercial work.... and once that cycle reaches its natural end... I suspect that we'll start seeing Sony-level prices for their DSLRs....

I hope they don't have Sony prices after the establish themselves.