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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    actually 3 things
    3. stop the rumour that CS is the place for getting free/cheap photogs

    How do we do that?
    I thought ckuang has organised a meeting in the past? Need another one man. Public education could be the key.

    Yeah i know, its not the rice bowl for guys here. But nobody complains about earning too much $$ right? I mean come on lar....

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by 2100
    I thought ckuang has organised a meeting in the past? Need another one man. Public education could be the key.

    Yeah i know, its not the rice bowl for guys here. But nobody complains about earning too much $$ right? I mean come on lar....
    meeting? what meeting? must be before my time

    it is not my rice bowl and i only question the ppl posting here to exploit cheap/free photogs
    but we will need the voice of mor ethan one person to get this to work

    we need to educate the cheap/free pghotographers that there are better alternatives

    any suggestions?

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    I think the reponses scared him away!
    But we'll never know if he found his photographer.

  5. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    it is not my rice bowl and i only question the ppl posting here to exploit cheap/free photogs?
    Ok, maybe i put it in another way.
    I know of some videographers doing weddings and events, pretty serious and not-cheap equipment too like 1K video tripods, Sony 2100, 150, Canon XM2, Sennheiser shotgun mics costing more than our regular top-end flash. They work as producers, in advertising field, creative field for their main income. But I have never found anybody going below $700 for just regular edited footage for nowadays. Maybe 1-2 years ago when the market was worse then it was cheaper.

    Why is it that photography get affected? Food for tot eh...

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    believe me that there are ppl doing video for a lot less tha $700
    but there are also a lot less ppl doing video

    everyone seems to be a photographer nowadays
    but a dslr and you become a photographer
    just like designers, buy a computer and you become a designer

    somehow we need to educate the cheap/free photogs here that their time is worth a lot more
    and less work with more pay is better than more work with less pay

    LPPL you know

    the money is the same just the amount of work changes

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    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO
    wah lau.. stress... dun like dat leh.

    i never say ALL cheap photographers are lousy.. ehheh.. aiyoh.. wait i kena whack man..

    on the topic of internship and taking in young photographers... this is my brief view:

    i definitely am not worried of someone learning too much from me and "stealing my business" next time.

    i am, however, VERY worried about the lack of commitment and trustworthiness of many of such "aspriring" photographers nowadays. turn up late, flirt with the girls, day dreaming etc etc.. it's very disheartening when i see someone with potential "fail" becos of poor attitudes. i'm not saying all lar, but i do "judge" newcomers' attitudes with my own when i was a newbie, and many fall short. ATTITUDE, not quality of work. but anyway this is a different topic.

    thanx for your "idol" status.. but hor.. paiseh lehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    LoLx. serious! so can i do intership with you!

    I have all of the problems before! Coming late only becuase the shoot was too damm far and the route is unfammilar so prediction of the time take was wrong and i was late. And due to finacial constrants i cannot take cab or have personal transport. Dazing happens when the inter determins that he has currently nothing else to shoot and decides to take a break. i had that phase. but now i realise there is always something to shoot! the more the merrier! Flirting with girls? SERIOUS?i never did talk to anyone execpt to the employer LoLx. or were they socializing so they can take more photos of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights
    Interesting,

    what if one day you walk into office, your boss tell you this:
    You don't have come in office tomorrow, I have this young man, can work better and harder than you, and the best part is, he is willing to work for free!!
    Hehhee... the worker will then say,
    "Ok boss, you hire the newbie for free.... I resign and clear my leave. If you want me back after he messes up, my salary will be double."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    believe me that there are ppl doing video for a lot less tha $700
    Sorry to sidetrack... Any decent ones? Pls PM me, need it for contacts.
    Not those take already, throw back footage in DVD - just cut here and there stuff means "edited" leh. haha!

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by 2100
    Sorry to sidetrack... Any decent ones? Pls PM me, need it for contacts.
    Not those take already, throw back footage in DVD - just cut here and there stuff means "edited" leh. haha!
    not anyone i dare to recommend hee hee

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    not anyone i dare to recommend hee hee
    izit that type that when you watching the video at home but make feel like you watching it in a Viking ship?
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    the type that drinks your beer while he is trying to shoot the video
    excuse is so that the viking ship effect will be smoother

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    the type that drinks your beer while he is trying to shoot the video
    excuse is so that the viking ship effect will be smoother
    I see, if I watch this type of video, only needs 3mins, I can show him what I ate this morning.
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    A Salutation and hello to Catchlights and all the Wedding Pros ...


    *Off-topic*

    Anyone know about this incident ? ...
    This is a Classic example of the Wedding Photogs Part-timers or the Freelancers Photographers giving a bad name to the wedding Industry ... Link >> http://www.dwedding.com/node/189

    Any lights on those guys ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO
    flirt with the girls
    U doing dat rite
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted
    A Salutation and hello to Catchlights and all the Wedding Pros ...


    *Off-topic*

    Anyone know about this incident ? ...
    This is a Classic example of the Wedding Photogs Part-timers or the Freelancers Photographers giving a bad name to the wedding Industry ... Link >> http://www.dwedding.com/node/189

    Any lights on those guys ?
    Hmmm...What can I say. Good to have forums to highlight these black sheeps from the real PROs.

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted
    A Salutation and hello to Catchlights and all the Wedding Pros ...


    *Off-topic*

    Anyone know about this incident ? ...
    This is a Classic example of the Wedding Photogs Part-timers or the Freelancers Photographers giving a bad name to the wedding Industry ... Link >> http://www.dwedding.com/node/189

    Any lights on those guys ?
    This really spoil all photographers' image!

    even splash out his full name & full-time job company name.
    But do you think it is right or ethical for the photography company to do such things? Add oil to flames & reveal such details.
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by gryphon
    This really spoil all photographers' image!

    even splash out his full name & full-time job company name.
    But do you think it is right or ethical for the photography company to do such things? Add oil to flames & reveal such details.
    For one.. they can learn to type in paragraphs and use the line breaks

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    Quote Originally Posted by _espn_
    For one.. they can learn to type in paragraphs and use the line breaks
    read between the lines, read between the lines, something is inside.

    thou he is tell you more about the photographers, but he didn't know that he is telling you about he himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gryphon
    U doing dat rite
    the girls will come flirt with him lah..not the other way round

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