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Thread: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

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    Default Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    recently there seems to be alot of freeloaders coming into CS to ask for FREE photographers to work for them and to use these works as their portfolio.

    and they will be "paid" by giving them free lunch and drinks and prolly food/transport allowance.

    this is spoilling the industry.

    i now strongly dis-encourage pple to work for free. its outrageous. i really hope someone steps forward and make these people wake up their ideas...

    i believe theres alot out there who share similar views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong
    recently there seems to be alot of freeloaders coming into CS to ask for FREE photographers to work for them and to use these works as their portfolio.

    and they will be "paid" by giving them free lunch and drinks and prolly food/transport allowance.

    this is spoilling the industry.

    i now strongly dis-encourage pple to work for free. its outrageous. i really hope someone steps forward and make these people wake up their ideas...

    i believe theres alot out there who share similar views.
    Hi there,

    I am one of those who share your ideas. But if you are new to this line, a lunch and transport claim is ok, provided the sum given is not pitifully low. But most of all, must check with these outrageous threadstarter who credit will the photo go to, allowances given or not first.

    Upz these thread for you Mr glennyong...

    I strongly encourage fellow photographers, both newbies and pros, to come here to express your views.

    Regards

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    So how much do you charge glennyong?
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay
    So how much do you charge glennyong?
    well... at least i CHARGE $ for every hour.....

    but thats not the main issue on how much i charge. because its a totally different issue here.

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    I think this is quite related to the other thread, something about people coming to CS to source for cheap photographers.

    I tend to ignore all such requests. But then again, photography isn't my ricebowl and I'm not desperate for jobs/exposure. Maybe if I were a struggling photographer, I'd consider any means to get myself noticed?

    But still, I also agree that there are many "chao-kuan" people out there who will take advantage of others any way they can.
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Oh btw, I guess you mean "upsurge" instead of "uprising". For a moment, I thought there was going to be some political uprising of some sort...
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Actually i dont think photographers who shoots for free are spoiling the industry
    I feel that is the people who ask photographers who shoot for free to shoot for free that spoils the industry

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by seanlim
    Actually i dont think photographers who shoots for free are spoiling the industry
    I feel that is the people who ask photographers who shoot for free to shoot for free that spoils the industry
    both are equally damaging. theres a saying, when theres a demand, theres a supply.

    problem is. people are willing to do it for free. so the idea which it is giving to the people out there is these there is a ready market for free photographers such as students or people who wanna "bulit up" their portfolio for free.

    we influence people from taking up free jobs so that the photograhy business for others will not get people saying such things like "sorry. i dunno who got it. but we suddenly have a FREE photographer who wants to bulit up his portfolio and can shoot for free"

    its really bad. if its once. i can forgo it. but i am getting replies more and more often that people are willing to shoot for free...

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    le's get the perspective right. it's not a problem of a market disturbed by free service providers. the issue here is the exploitation of unwary hobbyists, coupled with the s***** impression many people have thinking that they need to build some kind of a portfolio. (portfolio for who to see? for what? )

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Hi there,
    I'm not really sure what you are polling, as the title is a little ambiguous. I do agree that the "freebie" mentality that many Singaporeans have is damaging to industry, and particular to areas like the creative arts, where the revenue generator is effectively ideas and intellectual property, things which are intangible and easily "stolen". There is no respect for IP in Singapore.

    HOWEVER, I think that any attempt to try and impose some kind of minimum fee, or to ban photographers from doing free work, is doomed to failure. For one thing, it is anti-competitive; for another, the world is fast becoming one flat market place, and whilst the local pro-photogs may have some short term success in maintaining some kind of pricing equilibrium, it may soon be overtaken by cheaper alternatives from neighbouring or not-so-neighbouring countries. In a way, the profession of photography is fast becoming commoditised. The barriers to entry have now been significantly lowered, and even newbies, with the right equipment and some training and common sense, can do a "decent" job.

    The way I see it, there isn't any exploitation at play, merely the free-market at work.....but I don't like it any more than you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong
    well... at least i CHARGE $ for every hour.....

    but thats not the main issue on how much i charge. because its a totally different issue here.
    why is it a different story? you got to set the standard for us to follow. I am one of those that gets paid a sumptious meal for a 2 hour event for a club in my alma mater. That's all I ask. Heck! I even ferry them to and fro venues and carry their equipment!
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    I'd do it for free if it was a charity. And friends get will get my service almost free too. They pay for food.

    Photography is my hobby, not a job, and I don't see why I should charge for my not-so-high-standards at all.

    But if the job requires a professional to do it, I would recommend people to get a pro.

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    what's new?
    everybody's got a price. some cheaper, some higher.



    even if its FOC, it is still part of the game.



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    when i was studying... we will get some job lobang once in a while as free lance.. b'coz these pple know we are student, the $$$ they give also lower.. but they still PAY!

    i find that people who are jus starting or newbies building portfolio.. no matter how good or bad.. u shd at least charge a small sum of $$$ so that it will not spoil the market with the word "FREE"... it's not doing u any good too...

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    There are still many valid reasons one can shoot for free...
    for charity, portfolio, exposures, trial shoot...etc...
    but if one knows that people are using his photo to generate revenues and he is still shooting for free ( for portfolio, passion, interest or whatever reason), then I would say he is a real idiot and market spoiler...
    Stick to the bottomline,
    you shoot, he generate revenue, you get paid... PRO
    you shoot, he don't generate revenue, you don't get paid... CHARITY
    you shoot, he generate revenue, and you don't get paid.... IDIOT

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    when i was an art student many moons ago
    freelance work given to me was also paid

    if you charge zero then you are also zero

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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by projekts
    Stick to the bottomline,
    you shoot, he generate revenue, you get paid... PRO
    you shoot, he don't generate revenue, you don't get paid... CHARITY
    you shoot, he generate revenue, and you don't get paid.... IDIOT


    nicely put.
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by projekts
    There are still many valid reasons one can shoot for free...
    for charity, portfolio, exposures, trial shoot...etc...
    but if one knows that people are using his photo to generate revenues and he is still shooting for free ( for portfolio, passion, interest or whatever reason), then I would say he is a real idiot and market spoiler...
    Stick to the bottomline,
    you shoot, he generate revenue, you get paid... PRO
    you shoot, he don't generate revenue, you don't get paid... CHARITY
    you shoot, he generate revenue, and you don't get paid.... IDIOT
    so I belong in the charity all along..

    what about
    you shoot, he generate loss...?
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    My stand is with xray. I only shoot for free for animal welfare ogranisations since i get to use thier 'models' and it gives me practice. For me it is still a hobby that gives me the capability to capture the passion that I have for animals. Once i feel comfortable about charging for the photos then maybe I can start freelancing..
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    Default Re: Uprising of free labour. Time to step UP against it!

    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay
    so I belong in the charity all along..

    what about
    you shoot, he generate loss...?

    you shoot, he generate loss... Must Stay Away from You

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