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    I enjoyed being photographed by people and dun mind people post my photos in internet. but no one wants to take my pic bcos i am not handsome

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    You know which law in Singapore says you need a model release?
    You alway ask me these tough hard to answer question. But I take it you doing for the good all photographer here. You really need to talk to some lawyer friends you know. Do this trade with some many law pit holes and not knowing them is quite dangerous. Let me point you the right direction http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/ chapter 63. Knock yourself out. Please don't ask me about the details in there, I will just relie on my friends in that professional. I say again I am not a lawyer, just tell you folk of what I know.
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    "I'm not taking a photograph of you, you're just in the way, stop thinking that everything is about you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    I enjoyed being photographed by people and dun mind people post my photos in internet. but no one wants to take my pic bcos i am not handsome
    I want to take photographs of you

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    Hehe, glad that you can take it in good spirit - thanks again for clarifying

    My point is only that its always good to have something extra, however, if you dont have that something extra, it does't mean the end of the world either.

    The Copyright Act unfortunately doesn't deal with model releases either. Looks like we still have to wait for some clarification somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    You alway ask me these tough hard to answer question. But I take it you doing for the good all photographer here. You really need to talk to some lawyer friends you know. Do this trade with some many law pit holes and not knowing them is quite dangerous. Let me point you the right direction http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/ chapter 63. Knock yourself out. Please don't ask me about the details in there, I will just relie on my friends in that professional. I say again I am not a lawyer, just tell you folk of what I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boddah
    i know this may be a littttle bit off topic but, this just happened to me few days ago in siglap.. just wanted to share..

    i was sitting down by the kerb with a friend while waiting for my other friend to come out from canadian pizza.. i had my camera with me so we started taking silly photos and random photos.. at one point i was shooting randomly in front of me (therre were two parked cars infront).. shoot and delete, shoot and delete..

    when my friends came out and we were about to walk away, this particular lady came up to us and demanded that we delete the photos off. she claims that i took photos of her car. she claimed that she felt uncomfortable that i took photos of her car and that she had just called someone to consult about the matter and she insists that she check and delete any photo that had her car. the thing is there is NO photo of her car. she accused me of taking photos of her car. i explained to her nicely that i hadnt done so and even showed her my camera and scrolled through all the 131 photos to show her that there wasnt such a photo. still, she insisted that i took photos of her car and she was uncomfortable with it. i dunno whats her problem at this point of time when i had clearly shown her ALL the photos.

    that was when i had enough of her nonsense and told her straight in her face that i dont care who she was and who she had consulted, i blasted her blatantly that if she hasnt done anything wrong why should she be so paranoid. i said that my conscience is clear and i hadnt done anything wrong. i also said that she has no right to see what i had snapped as they belong to me regardless what she thinks. i dared her to call her consultant again and demand that she bring that consultant down and have a chat as i clearly have done no wrong. i put my camera into my bag and sat down at the kerb. she plainly said she wouldnt persue the matter further.


    i never knew such b***h could exist. just because she thinks she has a higher authority over me she thinks she can simply push me around. i may be just a kid to her, but im no pushover. so what if she's driving an E-class merc. what a stinking snob. such "atas" people really piss me off real bad.
    Just say, "Why, I take pix, you not happy ah, go call police lah. I no scared man!"
    I love big car, big house, big lenses, but small apertures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallaperture
    Just say, "Why, I take pix, you not happy ah, go call police lah. I no scared man!"
    A confrontational approach is never a good idea in any situation. Only use it extremely aggressively when the person encroached beyond ur rights and INTO ur private space and force u into a corner (a good example of the scenario would be the person ordering, demanding and insisting that u format the CF card, delete the photos AND surrender ur CF to him/her for later/instantaneous destruction).

    I'd prefer to use a more apologetic approach and when I pi jia lobang that I'm actually shooting the person, I'd resort to flattery and explain my intent. If the person wants me to delete it off despite my good intent and the photo did not show any compromising position, I'll just do so in front of the chap and den smile, apologise, bow a little and walk off.

    Of cos, wun be so stupid to shoot on the particular CF again, I'll juz remove it, keep it in my pocket, take a fresh CF and start shooting again. Lost files can be recovered. But I wun post that particular photo, that's requested to be deleted, on my website as part of my photographic portfolio regardless how well its taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singscott
    As long the pictures are taken in a public places. The "model" and you don't plan the shot. The picture is not of an undesirable publication. Then you have the rights to display or publish it. Things like TFCD or "plan" photo shoot that involve people you need a model release in order to benefit monetary or publish your works in public. But what law there is, you have the right to showcase them as your portfolio provided you shot the picture.

    this guy knows his stuff.

    i went for a workshop once, and they were saying its such a pain in the as s to shoot in public for an advertisment beacuse they haev to get EVERYONE in the shot to sign a contract allowing their photo to be in the ad.

    as long as you are making money from the shoot, you have to have them sign a release form.


    also for the guy who showed the lady your pictures.. kudos for having such patience for so long!

    remember guys, anything in public is fair game but also use your common sense, ask yourself if its worth all the trouble to get the shot, if not just walk away ..

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    Are you're saying that if I stand on top of a high rise building and take a photo of a crowd below for use in an advertisement, I have to get a model release from each and everyone of them?

    Quote Originally Posted by trlnlty

    i went for a workshop once, and they were saying its such a pain in the as s to shoot in public for an advertisment beacuse they haev to get EVERYONE in the shot to sign a contract allowing their photo to be in the ad.

    as long as you are making money from the shoot, you have to have them sign a release form.


    also for the guy who showed the lady your pictures.. kudos for having such patience for so long!

    remember guys, anything in public is fair game but also use your common sense, ask yourself if its worth all the trouble to get the shot, if not just walk away ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by benedium
    I can only pray for the day when people are less camera shy. I find it so lame and uncool that people cover their faces when people take photos. Imagine if Singapore were to become like Hollywood or something like that, and everyone reacts so obviously to the presence of a camera, be it film, video or still image.
    What are they so insecure about? Sigh...
    coz lots of perverts here, I think.

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    usually for ads they get everyone to sign a model release so that they don't get into any legal trouble.
    2 years ago or so this artist Phillip Lorca diCorcia got brought to court because he exhibited a picture which featured a random stranger's face, and the picture was also published in a book (which equates to financial gain...)
    the judge ruled to the artist's favour though.

    if a person is photographed in a public space I don't think you have a problem. I've seen some publications which featured strangers on the street in photos taken without permission
    I can't how it works for private property though

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    A google search shows Phillip Lorca diCorcia as being based on New York. THe concept of model releases originates from specific legislation in the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michhy
    coz lots of perverts here, I think.
    And it doesn't help when ppl think naked = porn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artosoft
    Which canadian pizza outlet? Siglap...? If Geylang one I can say no wonder .

    Regards,
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    at siglap one.. haha ive shot 16mm on bolex camera in geylang before and no one kacao me.

    Quote Originally Posted by shojibake
    Boddah are you young or dressed hipster?

    Usually the level of paranoia of the average singaporean is proportional to how hipster you dress or how far from looking like a tourist you are. It's also inversely proportional to how old you are.

    ok sometimes that doesn't work with building security.
    im young and hip, how? haha. im trying to hold back my assumptions which involves skin color. ahhhh no matter what it is, i think it's disgusting of her to act that way even after i explained nicely and showed her alllllll the photos. i mean i 'could' understand her paranoia, but to have her push me around that way is a .

    Quote Originally Posted by smallaperture
    Just say, "Why, I take pix, you not happy ah, go call police lah. I no scared man!"
    yea precisely. i was ready to wait for her so called "consultant" to come down. my conscience was clear and i did nothing wrong. in fact, i did nothing!

    Quote Originally Posted by trlnlty
    also for the guy who showed the lady your pictures.. kudos for having such patience for so long!

    remember guys, anything in public is fair game but also use your common sense, ask yourself if its worth all the trouble to get the shot, if not just walk away ..
    haha i dont think it was much of a case of patience, it was more of fighting for my rights and my innocence. she did however, spoil me and my friends' moods. if only i had a consultant to call.

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    Not saying i visit the place much, but there are some lanes at certain times in geylang where trying to shoot up close is not going to be very appreciated.

    Yeah some people though like to stereotype based on looks. It's regrettable but it's human nature.

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    Well, I guess we all have our rights to protect and stuff like that. But going all out war or self-war on 'protecting my rights to shoot photos' and defending it zealously isn't going to put both parties in a win-win situation.

    One shld always learn to take a step back. Smile, apologise and like I'd said, delete ur photos if she wants (there's always file recovery softwares provided u dun write anything to ur CF immediately after u delete or format it. Keep a spare CF around).

    Of cos, if she takes advantage by pressing u into a corner den I guess retaliating is ur only way.

    Apologies if any of u find it offensive, but den any animal would rather slink away at the sight of unfamiliar sights and would only attack with the deadliest method available when seriously provoked and cornered. Despite being ranked as 'an intelligent being', I guess there are times we shld learn a thing or two from 'lower animals'.
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