Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor

nightpiper · 28th April 2006

wow!!

juz read the news here:
http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3300

its amazing what sensor technology has been put in. juz when i thot small sensors like this is quite impossible to break the 2 digit MP barrier.... well, never say never...

yanyewkay · 28th April 2006

SNR very low?

Isaiahfortythirtyone · 28th April 2006

low noise. ISO3200? i don't believe their claims.

lsisaxon · 28th April 2006

Originally Posted by Isaiahfortythirtyone

low noise. ISO3200? i don't believe their claims.

It's only rated to ISO400. Did they say low noise? Maybe at ISO 50? They didn't say low noise when boosted to ISO3200.

michhy · 28th April 2006

Originally Posted by nightpiper

wow!! juz read the news here:
its amazing what sensor technology has been put in. juz when i thot small sensors like this is quite impossible to break the 2 digit MP barrier.... well, never say never...

It is 1/1.8" - that's large actually.
1/2.5" is tiny!

nightpiper · 28th April 2006

Originally Posted by yanyewkay

SNR very low?

not low at all but its useable & thus, able to market it to sell. juz like the fine line between acceptable useable noise vs best low noise characteristics. launching in June so lets wait & see the actual pic taken by this 10MP P&S.

Wai · 28th April 2006

so much MP for P&S for what

i rather have a 4MP P&S that is as noise free as 5D for all ISO

wind30 · 28th April 2006

Originally Posted by Wai

so much MP for P&S for what

i rather have a 4MP P&S that is as noise free as 5D for all ISO

I rather have a 10MP P&S that is noise free at ISO100 and for ISO1600 I can downsample to 4MP to get lower noise/ finer grain.

kniveswood · 28th April 2006

Geez...that sensor size is even bigger than those on cameras such as S2 IS and FZ20.

smallaperture · 28th April 2006

This is just breaking the record just for the sake of maybe Guiness Record only. A 3 or 4Mp for a P&S is largely sufficient. Anything more is just an utter waste and utterly useless. If you're thinking of cropping, you get really very, very soft pix.

I still love my Casio QV-R41 with 1/1.8inch sensor - excellent noise level at ISO500.

nightpiper · 29th April 2006

Originally Posted by Wai

so much MP for P&S for what

i rather have a 4MP P&S that is as noise free as 5D for all ISO

so much MP for the marketing purpose, if not very hard to create something to sell. really interesting to see something like that. i think in the consumer teritory, MP still sells.

unseen · 29th April 2006

Hmmmm doesn't it mean that the minimum aperture has to be even bigger to avoid diffraction problems?

wrx_sti_22b · 30th April 2006

Originally Posted by nightpiper

... launching in June so lets wait & see the actual pic taken by this 10MP P&S.

No need to wait till June... http://auctions.yahoo.com/sg/auction/99210688

nightpiper · 1st May 2006

Originally Posted by unseen

Hmmmm doesn't it mean that the minimum aperture has to be even bigger to avoid diffraction problems?

yet to confirm. i do know of a few P&S that at its smallest aperture, its at F8. perhaps casio managed to get a very hi quality optics supplier that can maintain F10 with min diffraction?

the yahoo auction thingy is pretty shady... unrated somemore....

unseen · 2nd May 2006

Originally Posted by nightpiper

yet to confirm. i do know of a few P&S that at its smallest aperture, its at F8. perhaps casio managed to get a very hi quality optics supplier that can maintain F10 with min diffraction?

the yahoo auction thingy is pretty shady... unrated somemore....

Nothing to do with the optics.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tut...hotography.htm

May be just greek to some of you, but take your time to go through. When I 1st came across it I thought someone was being too cautious, but I had to go through exact same theory + calculations for my FYP project involving digital imaging, of which image sharpness/clarity was of utmost importance.

A rough translation into layman's speak:
Smallest aperture before diffraction spoils the picture-
D2X - F8
350D/20D - F10
D70 - F13
1DMkII/5D/1Ds - F16
1D - F22

if 8mp on 350D can only allow F10... then....

IForYou · 2nd May 2006

I don't get it...
Isn't it already out in Singapore?
I've already played around with it....

Why wait till June?
I'm confused...

nightpiper · 2nd May 2006

Originally Posted by unseen

Nothing to do with the optics.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tut...hotography.htm

May be just greek to some of you, but take your time to go through. When I 1st came across it I thought someone was being too cautious, but I had to go through exact same theory + calculations for my FYP project involving digital imaging, of which image sharpness/clarity was of utmost importance.

A rough translation into layman's speak:
Smallest aperture before diffraction spoils the picture-
D2X - F8
350D/20D - F10
D70 - F13
1DMkII/5D/1Ds - F16
1D - F22

if 8mp on 350D can only allow F10... then....

thx unseen, very interesting link.

will go thru it again in detail tonight.

as for the launch date in june, thats purely casio announcement. they maybe doing a big launch event around the world. i reckon freebies will be plenty.

wrx_sti_22b · 16th May 2006

wow, it's only $750 now http://auctions.yahoo.com/sg/auction/99693139

Pablo · 16th May 2006

Hi,

I am rather glad that companies like Casio are pushing the mega pixels alsog.

Also Fuji dealing with low noise superCCD.

Olympus with waterproof without UW casing.

Canon with CMOS technology,

Live view.

And all the things that each are trying to out do each other with; because it gets closer and closer to the ultimate camera.

A DSLR that has excellent 4 inch live view, 22mp full frame, water safe to 60mtr, will survive a 200 foot drop, zero noise, change lens under water, 864G WiFi, holographic buffer, and so on.

Ok what ever your ultimate camera is to be, as long as companies keep pushing each other along, the closer it will get.

Was it not IBM that once thought that computers would never need more than 640k of RAM ?

Correct me if I have that wrong.

Cheers

28th April 2006	#1
nightpiper Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,798	Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor wow!! juz read the news here: http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3300 its amazing what sensor technology has been put in. juz when i thot small sensors like this is quite impossible to break the 2 digit MP barrier.... well, never say never...

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yanyewkay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cons digger. Posts: 4,046	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor SNR very low? __________________ “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

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Isaiahfortythirtyone Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Clementi Posts: 2,470	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor low noise. ISO3200? i don't believe their claims.

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Wai Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Pole with Penguins Posts: 5,133	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor so much MP for P&S for what i rather have a 4MP P&S that is as noise free as 5D for all ISO

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kniveswood Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 420	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor Geez...that sensor size is even bigger than those on cameras such as S2 IS and FZ20. __________________ Just a humble singapore wedding/event photographer

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smallaperture Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Catchment Area Posts: 2,423	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor This is just breaking the record just for the sake of maybe Guiness Record only. A 3 or 4Mp for a P&S is largely sufficient. Anything more is just an utter waste and utterly useless. If you're thinking of cropping, you get really very, very soft pix. I still love my Casio QV-R41 with 1/1.8inch sensor - excellent noise level at ISO500. __________________ I love big car, big house, big lenses, but small apertures.

29th April 2006	#12
unseen Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NTU and Wdls Posts: 2,608	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor Hmmmm doesn't it mean that the minimum aperture has to be even bigger to avoid diffraction problems?

2nd May 2006	#16
IForYou Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 259	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor I don't get it... Isn't it already out in Singapore? I've already played around with it.... Why wait till June? I'm confused...

16th May 2006	#18
wrx_sti_22b Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: where Bill is... Posts: 3,627	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor wow, it's only $750 now http://auctions.yahoo.com/sg/auction/99693139

16th May 2006	#19
Pablo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Blue/Green Planet Posts: 1,855	Re: Casio breaks 10MP on 1/1.8" sensor Hi, I am rather glad that companies like Casio are pushing the mega pixels alsog. Also Fuji dealing with low noise superCCD. Olympus with waterproof without UW casing. Canon with CMOS technology, Live view. And all the things that each are trying to out do each other with; because it gets closer and closer to the ultimate camera. A DSLR that has excellent 4 inch live view, 22mp full frame, water safe to 60mtr, will survive a 200 foot drop, zero noise, change lens under water, 864G WiFi, holographic buffer, and so on. Ok what ever your ultimate camera is to be, as long as companies keep pushing each other along, the closer it will get. Was it not IBM that once thought that computers would never need more than 640k of RAM ? Correct me if I have that wrong. Cheers __________________ Time, is an effortless construction :)