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    wondering if our eyes were lenses, wat spec would it have?
    heard the field of view of our eyes r similar to lens of focal length 50mm.
    so wat f-stop is it?
    definitely vibration reduction, wont u agree?

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    a robocop, or a terminator

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    what asa is our eye? ASA 400?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial_streak
    wondering if our eyes were lenses, wat spec would it have?
    heard the field of view of our eyes r similar to lens of focal length 50mm.
    so wat f-stop is it?
    definitely vibration reduction, wont u agree?
    If I'm not wrong, the crystaline lens should be something like a 90-110mm lens (+9.0 to +11.0D ) with the cornea contributing another around +43D (f~23mm). Simplifying everything, total is about +55D which is around 18mm. Since pupil size is around 7mm, that works out to be about f/2.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial_streak
    wondering if our eyes were lenses, wat spec would it have?
    heard the field of view of our eyes r similar to lens of focal length 50mm.
    so wat f-stop is it?
    definitely vibration reduction, wont u agree?
    wah u say until liddat...

    let me tell u lor, our eye... if u count 1 is 50mm maybe, mine probably a 40 or 45mm, if both together, then i dunno liao, for eg, can you see your nose bridge? aka... and its a tilt shift lens too... maybe ours is a TLR

    f-stop, your iris is the aperture blade, and circular aperture somemore... perhaps f1, or perhaps got great ISO, and depends on each person like each brand, some ppl can go hi ISO, some stagnant ISO, some max only iso 400... aka cannot see in the dark... and some got great shutter speed, some got slower, so only see motion blur...

    vibration reduction, i doubt most have it, cos some see too fast also headache liao, only top of the range have...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo
    what asa is our eye? ASA 400?
    That's a good one. Auto ISO, Auto limited WB, Auto focus (age<50), limited fixed focus (age>50), high dynamic range, auto tracking..

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    hmmm.......our eyes WB is simply superb........no camera can compare.
    ohh........n tink we have USM too.......unless u can hear sound when ur eyes focus........super fast focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial_streak
    hmmm.......our eyes WB is simply superb........no camera can compare.
    ohh........n tink we have USM too.......unless u can hear sound when ur eyes focus........super fast focus.
    Paiseh, i cannot agree...

    my WB constantly off... and permanently off also... mistake pink for blue, mistake green for red...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercurial_streak
    wondering if our eyes were lenses, wat spec would it have?
    heard the field of view of our eyes r similar to lens of focal length 50mm.
    so wat f-stop is it?
    definitely vibration reduction, wont u agree?
    it is around 50mm, and our eyes have a varying f-stop, in bright light pupil is contracted and we have a small f-stop, for the sake of arguemnt lets just say f10 ish (i havnt a clue what it really is just to compare) and in low light f1.8 with dilated pupils

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildstallion
    it is around 50mm, and our eyes have a varying f-stop, in bright light pupil is contracted and we have a small f-stop, for the sake of arguemnt lets just say f10 ish (i havnt a clue what it really is just to compare) and in low light f1.8 with dilated pupils
    u meant we got STF in our eye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt
    u meant we got STF in our eye?
    wats STF?

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    I think my eyes got VR ebcause i can read on the bus and play FPS games without getting sick =p
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    No lah, the IS/VR mechanism is in the ear...maintaining your balance...so those with ears full of earwax have a broken IS/VR mechanism.

    Auto WB is done in the brain - like the DIGIC II processor...

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    I think our eyes have a field of view of around 160 degrees but we can crop n zoom in as we like n very big depth of field like f22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt
    u meant we got STF in our eye?
    STF?

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    sunglasses = polariser
    binoculars = optical zoom

    specs = Unsharp Mask (for me, wearing my specs makes the surroundings look slightly sharper, cos i'm only 50deg on each eye)
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    Hey. I did abit of research about the eye for my science project, so this might help.
    Optics
    According to the Standardised Human Eye website which is extremely cheem and has details on just about everything mechanical about the eye, the iris opening of the eye is 7.0mm+ in bright daylight and 2.0mm- in dark conditions. Given that the focal length is about 17mm for most people, eye aperture is about 7/17 = ~f/2.5 in dark conditions, and f/8.5 in bright conditions.

    In comparison, the cat's eye has a max aperture of f/0.6-0.8 at night. Of course, it's optimised for speed over resolution, as the cat's eye doesn't have a fovea (the central area of extremely sharp vision).

    Sensor system
    As for ISO Sensitivity, that's a function of the retina and not the lens, but here goes. There are 4 pigments present in the eye of the Rhodopsin family, R-5,7,9 and 11 and these are sensitive to red, green, blue and UV(!) light respectively. We don't see UV because our lens blocks it, but for those who have had cataract operation, you should be able to see UV as a purple-grey.

    The gain of the eye is about 3500:1 electronhoton when fully dark adapted. To translate to ISO i'm not sure, but I've had to use ISO 3200 30 seconds f/2.8 to make a dark image of my room just as my eyes saw it, even though I could see fairly clearly.

    The spatial resolution of the fovea is 45 linepairs/mm, and the temporal (time based) resolution is about 45 hertz.

    Transmission and First-level image processing
    The eye doesn't act like a conventional photodetector system, which integrates the input over a certain time and outputs a value. Rather, it operates on a difference system, where if two points compared have a different value, the output is proportional to the difference. Also, the output value decreases to zero with time even with the same amount of difference. This was shown in an experiment where a picture was artifically stablised on a subject's retina, and it disappeared from view in a few seconds.

    This difference system can possibly explain why the eye has a super dynamic range.
    The difference in brightness between small adjacent areas is likely to be small, so detail will still be retained. I'm not sure how to articulate this fully here. blehh.

    In addition, the equivalent of an unsharp-mask processing occurs in the retina, where edges are enhanced. Your brain doesn't get the RAW, it gets the processed JPEG

    Movement and Image stabilisation systems
    The eye is moved by a set of 3 pairs of muscles which act antagonistically (they work against each other like biceps-triceps). One set moves up/down, one left/right and one oblique (diagonal). There are 4 forms of movement, 2 are conscious, one semiconscious and one unconscious (the IS system).

    The first two are Saccades and Smooth pursuit, which are used for target tracking. Saccades are discrete movements (step-wise) and they occur frequently (3 per second) and are quick (eye movement at 400-700 deg per second). Their purpose is to lock onto a target. For example, if you see something in the corner of your vision, and you want to look at it better, a saccade occurs which turns your eyes towards it.

    Smooth pursuit occurs after lock-on, where your eyes follow the object continuously. It's slower at 50-70 deg per second but allows you to view the target better.

    The third movement is Vergence, which is the crossing of your eyes as the object becomes closer. This allows both eyes to focus on the same object at close distances, as well, as providing distance information. Something like the (D) system in Minolta/Nikon lens.

    Lastly, there is the Vestibolo-Ocular Reflex (VOR), which is the Image Stabilisation system in the eye. It works by measuring the acceleration of your head using sensors in your neck and ears, and conunteracting it by turning the eye in the opposite direction. It's essential as someone who loses this function will be unable to read without taping himself to the bed as his heartbeats would blur his vision.

    You can find out more about Eye movements here.

    Okae. That's about it.
    Hope this helps! =)
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    wah.. tts some fierce stuff

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    Thanks for that sceientific information intresting trivia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timber Wolf
    Lastly, there is the Vestibolo-Ocular Reflex (VOR), which is the Image Stabilisation system in the eye. It works by measuring the acceleration of your head using sensors in your neck and ears, and conunteracting it by turning the eye in the opposite direction. It's essential as someone who loses this function will be unable to read without taping himself to the bed as his heartbeats would blur his vision.
    Wah... this is best. LOL i learn new thing today..
    Wootz I've a IS system in me! Is there a disease where someone loses his VOR???

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