10d

HoRsE · 20th March 2006

Hi guys, would just like to find out from the users of 10D out there.

I am keen in getting a second hand 10D or 20D, is there much of a diff between these two?? Or the technological difference is just minute??

djork · 20th March 2006

Originally Posted by HoRsE

Hi guys, would just like to find out from the users of 10D out there.

I am keen in getting a second hand 10D or 20D, is there much of a diff between these two?? Or the technological difference is just minute??

from my knowledge, it's the megapixel increase for the 20D, lesser noise for the 20D, louder mirror slap for the 20D, 5fps for the 20D vs 3fps for the 10D.

personally i rather have the 10D. the distinct click for the 20D's shutter is really annoying to me. 10D's shutter sounds very smooth.

buckwheat · 20th March 2006

for the stuff that counts... the buffer of the 20D is much better... i think the auto focus may be improved as well.

HoRsE · 20th March 2006

Originally Posted by buckwheat

for the stuff that counts... the buffer of the 20D is much better... i think the auto focus may be improved as well.

You mean the time needed to take another photo on the cam while it is recording the present one??

Hmmm, I'm on a shoe string budget so deciding between 20D and a 10D... I figure that since it is only the lens that mostly matters, I could save myself some moolah by getting a slightly older body...

How bout the shutter count on the body?? Will a high shutter count really affect it that much??

n0d3 · 20th March 2006

The 20D's startup is almost instant compared to the 10D, buffer/shooting speed is also faster. Other than that, besides the MP difference theres really not much. Oh and the 20D accepts EF-S lenses, not that I consider it to be better or anything. The 20D also has 2 additional AF points compared to the 10D.

The shutter unit has a lifespan of about <insertvaluehere>, you can do a search, forgot the exact values. So if you're buying it second hand, best is to ask the owner about his usage, you don't want the camera to die on you while shooting halfway now do you.

HoRsE · 20th March 2006

Yo dude!! Thanks for the info!!

StreetShooter · 20th March 2006

Why I like the 20D:

Much faster startup time, 5 fps continuous shooting, better AF, better noise control at ISO 1600

Why I like the 10D:

Quiet shutter (for an SLR), 7-point AF selection (I find the 9-point AF selection for 20D less useful).

I kept my 10D when I bought the 20D, but use the 20D most of the time. The 10D serves as a backup for wide angle shots (shutter noise less noticeable at close distance to your subject).

In your situation, I would get the 20D. Worth the little extra.

Virgo · 20th March 2006

Other than the louder mirror slap of the 20D, I can't see any reason why you're not going for it. 20D is definitely the choice, with so many advantages over the 10D that was mentioned above.

actionman · 20th March 2006

One thing about efs mount is that u have the option of using the digital ultra-wide angle lens. with 10d u will have limited choice bec it cannot be used with these lens. But that is the case only if u want to shoot really really wide angle pictures

just my 2 c worth

HoRsE · 20th March 2006

Yo Actionman, a fan of russell peters eh?? He's great!!

One thing was the price that puts me off. Don't know if this is blasphemous but it seems that D70 is selling at a better price then 20D...

Haha... I am a SLR user who is thinking of making the switch to Digi after a long long deliberation liao...

Am considering the D70 or maybe a 10D or 20D...

Zack · 20th March 2006

Originally Posted by HoRsE

Yo Actionman, a fan of russell peters eh?? He's great!!

One thing was the price that puts me off. Don't know if this is blasphemous but it seems that D70 is selling at a better price then 20D... Haha... I am a SLR user who is thinking of making the switch to Digi after a long long deliberation liao...

Am considering the D70 or maybe a 10D or 20D...

Well, you can't really compare a D70 to a 20D. 20D is miles ahead in many ways. For me, I rate D70 even lower than a 10D.

HoRsE · 20th March 2006

Originally Posted by Zack

Well, you can't really compare a D70 to a 20D. 20D is miles ahead in many ways. For me, I rate D70 even lower than a 10D.

Heh heh... thanks for the insight. I was thinking that I'll be wasting moolah just buying the 20D...

Thanks for the info dude!!

Belle&Sebastain · 21st March 2006

well, call me nuts but i'm a converted 10D fan. If you study the built, 10D seems better, from the battery latch door to the refine shutter. The upgrade to 20D for me was the cleaner iso at 1600.

Given the choice for a hobbist, i take any body that i can afford and grow and both cameras have enough functions to last a hobbist!

Zack · 21st March 2006

Originally Posted by Belle&Sebastain

well, call me nuts but i'm a converted 10D fan. If you study the built, 10D seems better, from the battery latch door to the refine shutter. The upgrade to 20D for me was the cleaner iso at 1600.

Given the choice for a hobbist, i take any body that i can afford and grow and both cameras have enough functions to last a hobbist!

The cleaner ISO at 1600 is really really helpful if you shoot a lot at low light! While 10D at ISO 1600 is already quite far behind the 20D, D70 at ISO 1600 is just plain horrible.

Belle&Sebastain · 21st March 2006

Originally Posted by Zack

The cleaner ISO at 1600 is really really helpful if you shoot a lot at low light! While 10D at ISO 1600 is already quite far behind the 20D, D70 at ISO 1600 is just plain horrible.

yes, 20D iso1600 is even cleaner than 1Dmk2n!

drumma · 21st March 2006

how i wished they had a 10d built in with the 20d functions.

not being biased. but i prefer holding a 10d because of the better build in grip.

Belle&Sebastain · 21st March 2006

Originally Posted by drumma

how i wished they had a 10d built in with the 20d functions.

not being biased. but i prefer holding a 10d because of the better build in grip.

i agree, 10D is really more solid built and all the tiny bits is better than 20D expect for the mode dial, the silkscreen just 'drops' off easily.

ullyss · 21st March 2006

Comparison between 10D and 20D and 30D

I won't compare the technology between the cameras, but in terms of built, 10D wins hands down,
In terms of built, ergonomic handling, Canon seem to get it right on 10D, but really failed in 20D and 30D.

Don't know about you, don't you find the distance between the shutter button and the quick dial seem to be further apart then on the 10D. The joystick seem to be the cause of it. It causes my thumb and index finger to stretch a little more, i get thumb-ache from a whole day of shooting.

All the dial bits seem to be a little stiff to turn.

the 10D fits pretty comfortably in my hands, i like the grip, seems more ergonomically better in design.

My next wish, have the built of a 10D, technology of a better 20D/30D (fix those bugs!)
bigger screen 2.5", still a faster buffer rate.
A more comfortable distance and angle between the quick wheel dial, and the shutter button.
The current design is a little ackward for my hand.

Enough of my rambling, which camera do you have? Get a 20D only because of its quicker startup speed and bigger buffer

trlnlty · 21st March 2006

price for a new 20D .. you can get a used 1D ... that will win either the 20D/10D or i'd dare to say 30D

HoRsE · 22nd March 2006

Woah guys!! Thanks for the avalanche of advice!! Really appreaciated!

Posting only now coz busy with work!! Anyway, I think I'll go with what Belle & Seb suggested which also makes most economical sense...

Buy the one you can afford... nuff said!!

I was using a EOS 33 previously, loved the feel on it especially with the grip. Feels solid and operations wise no probs...

Hopefully the digital bodies would be similar in feel as my previous cam...

Thanks again for the advice guys... you've been most helpful!!

20th March 2006	#1
HoRsE Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hailing from the East Posts: 60	10d Hi guys, would just like to find out from the users of 10D out there. I am keen in getting a second hand 10D or 20D, is there much of a diff between these two?? Or the technological difference is just minute??

20th March 2006	#3
buckwheat Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 195	Re: 10d for the stuff that counts... the buffer of the 20D is much better... i think the auto focus may be improved as well.

20th March 2006	#5
n0d3 Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,494	Re: 10d The 20D's startup is almost instant compared to the 10D, buffer/shooting speed is also faster. Other than that, besides the MP difference theres really not much. Oh and the 20D accepts EF-S lenses, not that I consider it to be better or anything. The 20D also has 2 additional AF points compared to the 10D. The shutter unit has a lifespan of about <insertvaluehere>, you can do a search, forgot the exact values. So if you're buying it second hand, best is to ask the owner about his usage, you don't want the camera to die on you while shooting halfway now do you.

20th March 2006	#6
HoRsE Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hailing from the East Posts: 60	Re: 10d Yo dude!! Thanks for the info!!

20th March 2006	#7
StreetShooter Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Katong Posts: 4,702	Re: 10d Why I like the 20D: Much faster startup time, 5 fps continuous shooting, better AF, better noise control at ISO 1600 Why I like the 10D: Quiet shutter (for an SLR), 7-point AF selection (I find the 9-point AF selection for 20D less useful). I kept my 10D when I bought the 20D, but use the 20D most of the time. The 10D serves as a backup for wide angle shots (shutter noise less noticeable at close distance to your subject). In your situation, I would get the 20D. Worth the little extra.

20th March 2006	#8
Virgo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: West of Singapore Posts: 4,559	Re: 10d Other than the louder mirror slap of the 20D, I can't see any reason why you're not going for it. 20D is definitely the choice, with so many advantages over the 10D that was mentioned above. __________________ Kind Regards My Picture Website

20th March 2006	#9
actionman Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 681	Re: 10d One thing about efs mount is that u have the option of using the digital ultra-wide angle lens. with 10d u will have limited choice bec it cannot be used with these lens. But that is the case only if u want to shoot really really wide angle pictures just my 2 c worth

20th March 2006	#10
HoRsE Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hailing from the East Posts: 60	Re: 10d Yo Actionman, a fan of russell peters eh?? He's great!! One thing was the price that puts me off. Don't know if this is blasphemous but it seems that D70 is selling at a better price then 20D... Haha... I am a SLR user who is thinking of making the switch to Digi after a long long deliberation liao... Am considering the D70 or maybe a 10D or 20D...

21st March 2006	#13
Belle&Sebastain Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: here Posts: 3,752	Re: 10d well, call me nuts but i'm a converted 10D fan. If you study the built, 10D seems better, from the battery latch door to the refine shutter. The upgrade to 20D for me was the cleaner iso at 1600. Given the choice for a hobbist, i take any body that i can afford and grow and both cameras have enough functions to last a hobbist! __________________ web http://www.9frames.com blog http://gilbertchua.blogspot.com/ WPN http://www.wpn.sg/

21st March 2006	#16
drumma Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,824	Re: 10d how i wished they had a 10d built in with the 20d functions. not being biased. but i prefer holding a 10d because of the better build in grip. __________________ weddings . Blog

21st March 2006	#18
ullyss Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: land of mu Posts: 662	Re: 10d Comparison between 10D and 20D and 30D I won't compare the technology between the cameras, but in terms of built, 10D wins hands down, In terms of built, ergonomic handling, Canon seem to get it right on 10D, but really failed in 20D and 30D. Don't know about you, don't you find the distance between the shutter button and the quick dial seem to be further apart then on the 10D. The joystick seem to be the cause of it. It causes my thumb and index finger to stretch a little more, i get thumb-ache from a whole day of shooting. All the dial bits seem to be a little stiff to turn. the 10D fits pretty comfortably in my hands, i like the grip, seems more ergonomically better in design. My next wish, have the built of a 10D, technology of a better 20D/30D (fix those bugs!) bigger screen 2.5", still a faster buffer rate. A more comfortable distance and angle between the quick wheel dial, and the shutter button. The current design is a little ackward for my hand. Enough of my rambling, which camera do you have? Get a 20D only because of its quicker startup speed and bigger buffer

21st March 2006	#19
trlnlty Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 488	Re: 10d price for a new 20D .. you can get a used 1D ... that will win either the 20D/10D or i'd dare to say 30D

22nd March 2006	#20
HoRsE Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hailing from the East Posts: 60	Re: 10d Woah guys!! Thanks for the avalanche of advice!! Really appreaciated! Posting only now coz busy with work!! Anyway, I think I'll go with what Belle & Seb suggested which also makes most economical sense... Buy the one you can afford... nuff said!! I was using a EOS 33 previously, loved the feel on it especially with the grip. Feels solid and operations wise no probs... Hopefully the digital bodies would be similar in feel as my previous cam... Thanks again for the advice guys... you've been most helpful!!