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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by satay16
    Konica Minolta-
    Wireless flash system (Even the in-camera flash also can fire, not like nikon)
    Flim-like colours (natural)
    In-built AS (saves money, imagine getting IS or VR for every lens you own)
    Very very very good built quality (Even their prosumer Dimage A1 and A2 uses magnisium alloy bodies)
    Superior G lens series (Better than Canon's L, and also much more expensive)
    Very low depriciation (comparing to Canon's ever changing cameras. and the 7D is still selling 1.5K plus secondhand on the average)

    sadly, all this advantages are useless ever since Sony took over.
    From a Canon user,

    I believe this is a limitation of the D50, D70s family, as the D200 flash will fire and contribute to the image.
    So with an SB-800, a D200 will contribute as a 'master unit', while a D70s will not.

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by JediForce4ever
    Nikon - body
    Canon - full frame sensor
    Nikon - wide angle lenses
    Canon - tele lenses
    Nikon - Flash system
    Canon-Auto Focus Speed on Pro bodies
    Nikon - Macro system (even on 'entry level' body like the D70s)
    Canon-Low Noise at High ISOs
    Nikon-1.5x on all DSLRs(For tele shooters)
    Canon-Very stingy with pricing
    Nikon-Always one gen. behind Canon.
    If I may plagiarise,

    Canon
    • Full-frame sensor available
    • Better telephoto lenses (or lenses, in general)
    • Good AF speed on pro-level bodies (45-area AF)
    • Low Noise at High ISOs


    Nikon
    • Better wide angle lenses (especially zooms)
    • Incredibly flexible flash system (when compared to Canon's)
    • Great macrophotography system (when used with their flash system)
    • Better with owning up to product defects?
    • Superior battery system on pro-level bodies (compared to Canon '1' series)
    • Sexy body designs (especially when compared to Canon 1-series bodies)


    Still thinking of more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by twiki
    From a Canon user,

    I believe this is a limitation of the D50, D70s family, as the D200 flash will fire and contribute to the image.
    So with an SB-800, a D200 will contribute as a 'master unit', while a D70s will not.

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    care to elaborate more on this?

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by twiki
    From a Canon user,

    I believe this is a limitation of the D50, D70s family, as the D200 flash will fire and contribute to the image.
    So with an SB-800, a D200 will contribute as a 'master unit', while a D70s will not.

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    dun understand.

    pls explain.
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by twiki
    From a Canon user,

    I believe this is a limitation of the D50, D70s family, as the D200 flash will fire and contribute to the image.
    So with an SB-800, a D200 will contribute as a 'master unit', while a D70s will not.

    .
    Oh? Lucky me, I've got a one-of-a-kind D70s unit that can do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twiki
    If I may plagiarise,

    Canon
    • Full-frame sensor available
    • Better telephoto lenses (or lenses, in general)
    • Good AF speed on pro-level bodies (45-area AF)
    • Low Noise at High ISOs


    Nikon
    • Better wide angle lenses (especially zooms)
    • Incredibly flexible flash system (when compared to Canon's)
    • Great macrophotography system (when used with their flash system)
    • Better with owning up to product defects?
    • Superior battery system on pro-level bodies (compared to Canon '1' series)
    • Sexy body designs (especially when compared to Canon 1-series bodies)


    Still thinking of more...

    .
    Nikon - Great optics, good contrast with good details, backwards and forward compatible (although not full functioned but still useable). Images mostly good straight out of the box (Coolpix included). Great metering and exposure control, good management of highlights.

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    ok if i were to compare both canon and nikon...
    this is my take

    Both have great bodies for their pro systems...

    Regarding image. i would say that canon has better noise control and colours on the overall..

    But when it comes to flash and optics systems, i believe that nikon is superior in this aspect....

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by twiki
    From a Canon user,

    I believe this is a limitation of the D50, D70s family, as the D200 flash will fire and contribute to the image.
    So with an SB-800, a D200 will contribute as a 'master unit', while a D70s will not.

    .
    Kinda confused by your statement here....

    IIRC, a SB-800 will operate as a master flash controller (if operating in multi-flash unit scenario) for all the cameras you've mentioned above. But the advantage of the D200 is that it can operate as a master flash controller without the need of an extra SB-800.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dRebelXT
    Haha, that's concise!

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    Kodak pentax ?
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    actually the d70 also can do it...using the d70 as a controller which doesnt contribute to the flash output.....

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    so where is Twiki?

    still waiting his explaination...

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Hi, markccm, Witness,

    As clarification to a statement I made recently, these are screenshots I made from a Nikon website.



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    These indicate that, while the in-built flash of the D70/s does not function as a 'Master Unit', the in-built flash on the D200 does not function as a 'Master Unit'.
    Note that 'Master Unit' is not the same as 'Commander', which is a role the in-built flash on the D70s does perform.

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    zac08,

    Kinda confused by your statement here....

    IIRC, a SB-800 will operate as a master flash controller (if operating in multi-flash unit scenario) for all the cameras you've mentioned above. But the advantage of the D200 is that it can operate as a master flash controller without the need of an extra SB-800.
    Yes, the SB-800 will operate as a Commander, while the SB-600 will not.

    You're correct in saying that even the in-built D200 flash will work as a Commander - in fact, even the in-built flash on a D70/s will do this, but the flash the D70/s fires will not significantly contribute to the illumination of the scene.

    See the illustrations above.

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    Let me try to get what you are saying... But I dun quite comprehend the whole concept you are trying to bring across.

    For the D70s built in speedlight, the guide number for the flash is approx. abt 15/11 (at ISO200/100, m), manual full at 17/12.

    And for the D200 built in speedlight is at approx 12 (ISO100, m), manual 13.

    And while the D70 can only control a single group of flash units (SB-800 or SB600) with the built-in speedlight firing or not.

    The D200 can control up to 3 different groups of flash units (SB-800 or SB-600) with the built-in speedlight firing or not.

    So why wouldn't the D70s built-in speedlight contribute to the overall scene? Unless you are saying that the slave units would have over-powered the scene???


    PS : all data are extracted from Nikon website.
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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    D50 - in-built flash cannot be a commander flash for i-TTL.
    D70/D70s - in-built flash can be a commander; but when acting as commander, does not contribute to overall flash illumination
    D200 - in-built flash can be a commander as well as being able to contribute overall flash illumination

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    ok i get wat u were trying to say...let me see if i am right....

    the d70s built in flash functions as a commander...but not a master flash unit?
    while the d200 can function as both commander and master....

    so just to ask...a commander unit doesnt contribute to the flash output ya...wat about master than?

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by twiki
    If I may plagiarise,

    Canon
    • Full-frame sensor available
    • Better telephoto lenses (or lenses, in general)
    • Good AF speed on pro-level bodies (45-area AF)
    • Low Noise at High ISOs


    Nikon
    • Better wide angle lenses (especially zooms)
    • Incredibly flexible flash system (when compared to Canon's)
    • Great macrophotography system (when used with their flash system)
    • Better with owning up to product defects?
    • Superior battery system on pro-level bodies (compared to Canon '1' series)
    • Sexy body designs (especially when compared to Canon 1-series bodies)


    Still thinking of more...

    Olympus dust buster system !!!!!!!!

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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c -> Full Frame cam other than 1Ds at amazingly "high" writing speed

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/kodakslrc/

    Canon -> telephoto lenses, body (inclusive of sensors)
    Nikon -> cheaper body to features ratio, wide angle lenses, flash
    KM -> nice anti-shake
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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by gooseberry
    D50 - in-built flash cannot be a commander flash for i-TTL.
    D70/D70s - in-built flash can be a commander; but when acting as commander, does not contribute to overall flash illumination
    D200 - in-built flash can be a commander as well as being able to contribute overall flash illumination
    I see....

    thanks for the insight.
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    Default Re: What are the most noteworthy aspect of each DSLR system?

    Quote Originally Posted by gooseberry
    D50 - in-built flash cannot be a commander flash for i-TTL.
    D70/D70s - in-built flash can be a commander; but when acting as commander, does not contribute to overall flash illumination
    D200 - in-built flash can be a commander as well as being able to contribute overall flash illumination
    Hi gooseberry,

    Well said. Thank you for stating it so simply.



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