Asia Aerospace in IR

[Francis247]

Hi all IR masters and experts,

I humbly seek your help and advices with my post-processing for my shoots that I take from the Asia Aerospace 2006. Nothing spectacular with the shoots, just wanted to try shooting the AA in IR to see how is the effect.

Anyway, I was using the White Balance set since last outing at Sentosa, not sure if that is the problem for not achieving the blue sky effect. I try the Hue/Saturation but it got more pink, so I only try to swap the Channel Mixer that's all. Please advice. Thank you.

Asia Aerospace 2006
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Pre-processing
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Post-processing
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[eawtan]

I think the original was underexposed ....

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by eawtan I think the original was underexposed ....

Hi Edmund,

My EV is set at +0.7, I used the Level in PS to tweak on the exposure for the post-processing.

Anyway, the sun at the Aerospace is really good for IR, but it is really very hot and one of the catch snap on my tripod crack, so I didn't try more shoots with IR.

[eawtan]

Originally Posted by Francis247 Hi Edmund, My EV is set at +0.7, I used the Level in PS to tweak on the exposure for the post-processing. Anyway, the sun at the Aerospace is really good for IR, but it is really very hot and one of the catch snap on my tripod crack, so I didn't try more shoots with IR.

My advise is to "try-out" different exposures on the same target until you "get the hang" of things. Liberally try +1 , +2, +3 etc and post-process each, you'll then have to decide which is the "best shot".

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by eawtan My advise is to "try-out" different exposures on the same target until you "get the hang" of things. Liberally try +1 , +2, +3 etc and post-process each, you'll then have to decide which is the "best shot".

Alright, thanks for the advice. Will try that next time and observe the Histogram at different EV and see the effect after doing Level in PS. Thanks.

[PandaOng]

If the sky is blue (I mean real bluish sky), you will get near-black sky...so I see nothing wrong with your pix. Lovely clouds formation you capture too!!

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by PandaOng If the sky is blue (I mean real bluish sky), you will get near-black sky...so I see nothing wrong with your pix. Lovely clouds formation you capture too!!

Hi Panda,

Thanks a lot.
Anyway, do look forward to the next outing, hope to keep improving and learn more about IR.

[teerex]

Hi Francis,

Here's a quick one. Let me know your opinions and we'll discuss about the pp. Layer blending and color replacement. I'll try your other pic tonight and see what I can get.

Opinions in the pp from the rest of the team is also appreciatedl

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by teerex Hi Francis, Here's a quick one. Let me know your opinions and we'll discuss about the pp. Layer blending and color replacement. I'll try your other pic tonight and see what I can get. Opinions in the pp from the rest of the team is also appreciatedl

Hi Teerex,

That is the effect I wanted. How did you do it? Is it with the Hue/Saturation? I tried yet the white gets more pink that is why I did not include that step.

Any other opinions to PP from others are greatly welcome. Thanks.

[ark19]

Francis, could you label the pics in the first post with the exif settings like shutter speed and aperture?
Looks under-exposed.
Might want to try using Aperture Piority F8, +EV 1 (max 1, depends on weather).
Cover viewfinder during exposure...

Teerex,
Bro the PP really too over PP liao

Colour and brightness looks good, but it's too soft. Too much details are lost.

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by ark19 Francis, could you label the pics in the first post with the exif settings like shutter speed and aperture? Looks under-exposed. Might want to try using Aperture Piority F8, +EV 1 (max 1, depends on weather). Cover viewfinder during exposure...

Hi Ark,

For photo #2, the details are as follows:
Shutter Speed = 1/6"
Aperature = F4 (oops.., I think I was using P-Mode, should have set to A-Mode)
Exposure Value = +0.67EV
ISO = 200

[ark19]

Okie,
next time try using Aperture Piority F8, +EV 1 (max 1, depends on weather).
Cover viewfinder during exposure.
Few things to take note:
1. avoid shooting IR during noon.
2. try to shoot with the Sun behind you.
3. use Lens Hood.

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by ark19 Okie, next time try using Aperture Piority F8, +EV 1 (max 1, depends on weather). Cover viewfinder during exposure. Few things to take note: 1. avoid shooting IR during noon. 2. try to shoot with the Sun behind you. 3. use Lens Hood.

Hi Ark,

Thanks for the advice. I did cover the viewfinder during the exposure, but I think it is because my EV is set at +0.7 only. I will try the different EV next time. But there is a few things that I don't understand. Hope that you or some other IR experts can share some views on it.

For
2. try to shoot with the Sun behind you.
- I roughly understand this part as Teerex did explain to me once during the Sentosa shoot. The reason is that if shooting in the direction of the sun, the trees which is in the direction of the sun will have shadow on its leaves and will appear dark instead of white, so try to shoot in the opposite direction of the sun where the sunlight can get reflect off the leaves of trees and giving it a better IR exposure.

But for
1. avoid shooting IR during noon. - I am not sure why, I thought IR is better with bright sun? Is this because of the shadow problem? Please advice.

As for
3. Use Lens Hood
Currently, I am using my kit lens at 67mm, my Hoya R72 IR filter is 77mm and I am using a 67mm -> 77mm Step Up ring during shoot, so using a lens hood is quite impossible now. However, I am getting a second hand 67mm IR filter some time later.

Please share your view on this. Thank you very much.

[ark19]

Quote: But for 1. avoid shooting IR during noon. - I am not sure why, I thought IR is better with bright sun? Is this because of the shadow problem? Please advice.

Yes, IR is better with bright sun, but during noon time, the sun is shining directly down, reflection from the trees will be angled upwards and not towards the camera. ( I think so... if I'm wrong, pls correct me )
That's why, if it's not noon and with the sun behind you, the sun rays will reflect off the trees and directly towards the camera.

Quote: As for 3. Use Lens Hood Currently, I am using my kit lens at 67mm, my Hoya R72 IR filter is 77mm and I am using a 67mm -> 77mm Step Up ring during shoot, so using a lens hood is quite impossible now. However, I am getting a second hand 67mm IR filter some time later.

Lens hood will prevent lens flare. You could use just use ur hand to block the direct sunlight too

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by ark19 Yes, IR is better with bright sun, but during noon time, the sun is shining directly down, reflection from the trees will be angled upwards and not towards the camera. ( I think so... if I'm wrong, pls correct me ) That's why, if it's not noon and with the sun behind you, the sun rays will reflect off the trees and directly towards the camera. Lens hood will prevent lens flare. You could use just use ur hand to block the direct sunlight too

Hi Ark,

Thanks for the valuable advice. We are all here to learn. Will practise more to get the hang of IR Photography. Thank you.

[teerex]

Originally Posted by ark19 Teerex, Bro the PP really too over PP liao Colour and brightness looks good, but it's too soft. Too much details are lost.

Ya agree, too over PP. Was trying to push things up and lost a lot of details.

Francis, the original out of cam pic properly shot is very important for good PP. Ark has given some good pointer in his posts above.

Don't don't be discouraged, keep shooting and trying.

[yyD70S]

The metering / exposure from the current crop of DSLRs are very good to start with. I think setting +0.7EV should be quite close to the 'correct' exposure.

But doing all the necessary and CORRECT pp to get the right IR effect... I have alot to learn. Must read up more books on Photoshop.

[Francis247]

Originally Posted by teerex Ya agree, too over PP. Was trying to push things up and lost a lot of details. Francis, the original out of cam pic properly shot is very important for good PP. Ark has given some good pointer in his posts above. Don't don't be discouraged, keep shooting and trying.

Hi Teerex and yyD70s,

Thanks for the advices and encouragement. Will keep going for the outings to practise more.

Look forward to the next outing.

[ark19]

Originally Posted by Francis247 Hi Ark, Thanks for the valuable advice. We are all here to learn. Will practise more to get the hang of IR Photography. Thank you.

No prob
Anyway with digital, can just shoot and preview the shots, much easier to learn than Film After a while, u'll roughly know how to compensate the settings