What you hate about 20D?

satay16 · 17th February 2006

right now, i am still extremely utterly confuse in whether to get the KM 7D or 20D. so, i decided to post in a canon forum and ask the 20D users what you hate about the 20D. thanks for helping me make my choice.

CYRN · 17th February 2006

Not really hate.. juz some personal

1. Price
2. Shutter/Mirror slap sound
3. no 100% VF

freelancer · 17th February 2006

Only two things

#1 Brighter viewfinder
#2 AF accuracy in sports mode

To get #1, its probably fullframe. To get #2, your need something like the AF system on a 1 series camera.

Having said that and being amongst the first to acquire the 20D in Sep 2004, I have yet to be really disappointed with the camera. Images are very good even when taken at ISO3200, properly exposed of course to reduce shadow noise.

wmelon · 17th February 2006

The loud shutter sound.

cosycatus · 17th February 2006

go for the 7D.

What i dun like about canon is that they had segmented their cameras. So some good features are only found on the higher end models.

The shutter is loud, and the shutter button is hard.
The 7D on the other hand have about one of the best shutter i've heard and soft shutter release

20D will win in terms of the sensor. But the 7D sensor is formadiable already.

Many pple will tell u that canon's a better system to buy into cos of the extensive range of lens. They do have a lot of lens, but u probably dun need so many. The popular and useful range are also avaliable on the KM system.

and the anti-shake is something to die for.

If i have to choose my system again. I might go for minolta.

ndroo · 17th February 2006

Originally Posted by cosycatus

go for the 7D.

What i dun like about canon is that they had segmented their cameras. So some good features are only found on the higher end models.

The shutter is loud, and the shutter button is hard.
The 7D on the other hand have about one of the best shutter i've heard and soft shutter release

20D will win in terms of the sensor. But the 7D sensor is formadiable already.

Many pple will tell u that canon's a better system to buy into cos of the extensive range of lens. They do have a lot of lens, but u probably dun need so many. The popular and useful range are also avaliable on the KM system.

and the anti-shake is something to die for.

If i have to choose my system again. I might go for minolta.

TITANIUMLEE · 17th February 2006

well well let me say something on both cameras. EOS 20D had 8mp CMOS that win Dynax 7D, EOS 20D can print bigger photo. Dynax 7D had anti Shake that win EOS 20 D Dynax 7D can help u to save $$$ on lens. These are the main point of both. It really depen on u see whether which function is more important. Well do some research on both camera. If not u may regarde after buying.

szekiat · 17th February 2006

I think we all want a brighter viewfinder. Not necessarily 100% but brighter. Also, a focusing screen with micro-prisms would be nice for MF. There's no need to go FF for a brighter finder, as nikon has proven. Also, i wish the sensor would handle reds better. For some reason, having shot the 1d, 1dm2, 20d, d1x, d1h, d100, p20 cameras, i still can't find one that can handle reds well. There is a tendency to over saturate and or over expose the red channel. Can someone sort this out?

user111 · 17th February 2006

sony is buying over minolta slr department..dunno what will happen to minolta. if u believe in minolta and sony then buy 7d. but personally i recommend canon EOS. it gives u the chance to experience the magical world of L lense

jsbn · 17th February 2006

Originally Posted by satay16

right now, i am still extremely utterly confuse in whether to get the KM 7D or 20D. so, i decided to post in a canon forum and ask the 20D users what you hate about the 20D. thanks for helping me make my choice.

What I hate?

The mirror slap sound. Really loud can't stand it.

rickygck · 17th February 2006

I hate the mirror sound too....

user111 · 18th February 2006

the mirror sound is ok. similar to EOS 3 back in film days

taiwanapurasteve · 18th February 2006

I have to agree with many others, the mirror slap is very obtrusive in some quiet environments.

xl1 · 18th February 2006

i hate the box......white and red

DT_ · 18th February 2006

i hate the blinking......

ERR 99

ERR 01

hifisiao · 18th February 2006

Nothing much to hate about 20D and it has great resale value.

Buy a KM and its accessories and I am afraid resale value will not hold up well ...

Garion · 18th February 2006

Personally I do not own a 20D, but I do have its predecessor, 10D. But have handled 20D before on some occasions.

What I dislike about it (in decreasing order):

1. Mirror slap. Obscenely loud and crass sounding, one of the worst mirror slap sounds I have ever heard on an SLR. In comparison, 10D's mirror slap is smooth sounding and quieter.
2. Viewfinder. Horribly small and dim excuse for a VF. At effective aperture f5.6 and above, very 'grainy' effect. Why don't Canon wake up their ideas and take a look at what KM had done on their 7D. One of the best, largest and brightest viewfinder/focusing screen amongst the current crop of 1.5x/1.6x crop prosumer bodies. (even marginally better than D200's, which is also very bright)
3. Multi-way controller joystick. PITA to use when scrolling around magnified images. (ie. too small and hard to control). Scrolling using the control wheel/dial (ala 10D) would be more practical.

The main good points of 20D is its exceptional image quality, and low noise at high ISOs, which are much much improved than 10D's. Sure its not a perfect camera, but if you can live with the flaws, its quite good really. More working full time/part time pros seem to like using this body, as an alternative or back up system to the heavy pro 1 series bodies. The good noise control at high ISOs make it an excellent cam for indoor events and weddings.

sheltie_prince · 18th February 2006

IF the 20D produces that kinda sound (combination of shutter and mirror) then I will be in LOVE!!! Used my friend's 350D the other day (testing to see if I would like a 350D), I sort of miss that kinda sound you hear when you shoot on a SLR back then.

So after that, fire a few shots on the remaining roll of film on my EOS 3. Music to my ears...

Originally Posted by user111

the mirror sound is ok. similar to EOS 3 back in film days

Ivan11 · 18th February 2006

On the contrary I like the mirror slapping sound of 20D, the only thing which bothers me is the ....... hmm can't think of any yet

lynch · 18th February 2006

how do you fellas find the AF system of the 20D?

my experience with it (several different units actually..) gives me the feel that I cannot rely on its AF except center-focus pt + one-shot mode. and even so, the AF is not consistently dead-on focused.

im quite a pixel-peeker who does large prints once in awhile. so maybe tt's y i notice it more?

17th February 2006	#3
freelancer Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 476	Re: What you hate about 20D? Only two things #1 Brighter viewfinder #2 AF accuracy in sports mode To get #1, its probably fullframe. To get #2, your need something like the AF system on a 1 series camera. Having said that and being amongst the first to acquire the 20D in Sep 2004, I have yet to be really disappointed with the camera. Images are very good even when taken at ISO3200, properly exposed of course to reduce shadow noise.

17th February 2006	#4
wmelon New Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 27	Re: What you hate about 20D? The loud shutter sound.

17th February 2006	#5
cosycatus Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,043	Re: What you hate about 20D? go for the 7D. What i dun like about canon is that they had segmented their cameras. So some good features are only found on the higher end models. The shutter is loud, and the shutter button is hard. The 7D on the other hand have about one of the best shutter i've heard and soft shutter release 20D will win in terms of the sensor. But the 7D sensor is formadiable already. Many pple will tell u that canon's a better system to buy into cos of the extensive range of lens. They do have a lot of lens, but u probably dun need so many. The popular and useful range are also avaliable on the KM system. and the anti-shake is something to die for. If i have to choose my system again. I might go for minolta.

17th February 2006	#7
TITANIUMLEE Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 64	Re: What you hate about 20D? well well let me say something on both cameras. EOS 20D had 8mp CMOS that win Dynax 7D, EOS 20D can print bigger photo. Dynax 7D had anti Shake that win EOS 20 D Dynax 7D can help u to save $$$ on lens. These are the main point of both. It really depen on u see whether which function is more important. Well do some research on both camera. If not u may regarde after buying.

17th February 2006	#8
szekiat Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London Posts: 2,378	Re: What you hate about 20D? I think we all want a brighter viewfinder. Not necessarily 100% but brighter. Also, a focusing screen with micro-prisms would be nice for MF. There's no need to go FF for a brighter finder, as nikon has proven. Also, i wish the sensor would handle reds better. For some reason, having shot the 1d, 1dm2, 20d, d1x, d1h, d100, p20 cameras, i still can't find one that can handle reds well. There is a tendency to over saturate and or over expose the red channel. Can someone sort this out?

17th February 2006	#1
satay16 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,976	What you hate about 20D? right now, i am still extremely utterly confuse in whether to get the KM 7D or 20D. so, i decided to post in a canon forum and ask the 20D users what you hate about the 20D. thanks for helping me make my choice.

17th February 2006	#2
CYRN Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,501	Re: What you hate about 20D? Not really hate.. juz some personal 1. Price 2. Shutter/Mirror slap sound 3. no 100% VF __________________ Gallery \| Facebook Page Spreading the Good photography.

17th February 2006	#9
user111 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,719	Re: What you hate about 20D? sony is buying over minolta slr department..dunno what will happen to minolta. if u believe in minolta and sony then buy 7d. but personally i recommend canon EOS. it gives u the chance to experience the magical world of L lense

17th February 2006	#11
rickygck Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: South East Asia Posts: 1,213	Re: What you hate about 20D? I hate the mirror sound too.... __________________ http://www.newlife-photography.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/29797865@N02/

18th February 2006	#12
user111 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,719	Re: What you hate about 20D? the mirror sound is ok. similar to EOS 3 back in film days

18th February 2006	#13
taiwanapurasteve Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Taipei Posts: 486	Re: What you hate about 20D? I have to agree with many others, the mirror slap is very obtrusive in some quiet environments.

18th February 2006	#14
xl1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Under the Son Posts: 2,621	Re: What you hate about 20D? i hate the box......white and red __________________ www.ubans.com

18th February 2006	#15
DT_ Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 893	Re: What you hate about 20D? i hate the blinking...... ERR 99 ERR 01

18th February 2006	#16
hifisiao Deregistered Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	Re: What you hate about 20D? Nothing much to hate about 20D and it has great resale value. Buy a KM and its accessories and I am afraid resale value will not hold up well ...

18th February 2006	#17
Garion Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: West side of S'pore Posts: 5,581	Re: What you hate about 20D? Personally I do not own a 20D, but I do have its predecessor, 10D. But have handled 20D before on some occasions. What I dislike about it (in decreasing order): 1. Mirror slap. Obscenely loud and crass sounding, one of the worst mirror slap sounds I have ever heard on an SLR. In comparison, 10D's mirror slap is smooth sounding and quieter. 2. Viewfinder. Horribly small and dim excuse for a VF. At effective aperture f5.6 and above, very 'grainy' effect. Why don't Canon wake up their ideas and take a look at what KM had done on their 7D. One of the best, largest and brightest viewfinder/focusing screen amongst the current crop of 1.5x/1.6x crop prosumer bodies. (even marginally better than D200's, which is also very bright) 3. Multi-way controller joystick. PITA to use when scrolling around magnified images. (ie. too small and hard to control). Scrolling using the control wheel/dial (ala 10D) would be more practical. The main good points of 20D is its exceptional image quality, and low noise at high ISOs, which are much much improved than 10D's. Sure its not a perfect camera, but if you can live with the flaws, its quite good really. More working full time/part time pros seem to like using this body, as an alternative or back up system to the heavy pro 1 series bodies. The good noise control at high ISOs make it an excellent cam for indoor events and weddings. __________________ [ deviantart selections \| Photoblog ]

18th February 2006	#19
Ivan11 Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sembawang Posts: 406	Re: What you hate about 20D? On the contrary I like the mirror slapping sound of 20D, the only thing which bothers me is the ....... hmm can't think of any yet

18th February 2006	#20
lynch Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 641	Re: What you hate about 20D? how do you fellas find the AF system of the 20D? my experience with it (several different units actually..) gives me the feel that I cannot rely on its AF except center-focus pt + one-shot mode. and even so, the AF is not consistently dead-on focused. im quite a pixel-peeker who does large prints once in awhile. so maybe tt's y i notice it more?