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    Quote Originally Posted by dragius
    Hello,

    Maybe you gouys should have a look at the Amway water treatment systems, it is cheaper and i feel what they claim is true and the baisc thing that it does is:

    Kill germs - by UV light
    Filter out contaminants but still leaves necessary minerals - through A patented filter system

    Saw a demonstration of the machine was quite impressed, basically they pour "tao you" black sauce through a special see through casing of their filter and after the water came out from the filter process it is clear drinkable water.

    I have to say though no one dares to try and drink the water lah.

    None the less the claims of the product and the explanation given plus the test carried out on the product is proof ebiugh for me to buy it.

    Please don't just buy the product by viewing the tests or demonstrations. They can be deceiving and misleading..

    Ask for their certifications, test reports and such on the water quality after treatment. Avoid those who make empty claims and couldn't provide any evidence to support it.

    Ultimately you are paying $1000 + for a product and you should know what you are buying.

    Get a copy of the certification or test report, call or email the certification organisation or insititute to validate if the reports are genuine.

    As someone mentioned in the thread. With photoshop anything thing can be done.
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    ehh... maybe about 5 to 8 litres.

    Quote Originally Posted by melvin
    Ehh... approx how many litre per day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    ehh... maybe about 5 to 8 litres.
    ...I am talking about just drinking the water alone without boiling it... if u boil it, then it will take a much longer time to see the difference!

    if u did drink up to abt 5l per day non-boil one under normal circumstances within a week or two u should detect some difference!

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    ever since the diamond unit was installed(about slightly over two months ago), we have stopped boiling our drinking water.

    Quote Originally Posted by melvin
    ...I am talking about just drinking the water alone without boiling it... if u boil it, then it will take a much longer time to see the difference!

    if u did drink up to abt 5l per day non-boil one under normal circumstances within a week or two u should detect some difference!

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    Just some knowledge from my side. Up to you to believe.

    If people think that water in it's purest form is useless and will drain out materials from your body you are wrong. Do you know why a human have to let out water so often, and do you know how many thousands of minerals are let out thru the urine of the human body? Most of these minerals come from mineralise waters and food that we consume. Our kidney is the one filtering them out and they work extra hard to remove these materials which the body can't take in. Minerials in water are the most useless. Do you know why RO water filters are used in houses of kidney problem patients? Becos RO water filters uses membranes which filters out all minerals from the very water that we drink from the singapore tap.

    And RO filters are said to be the third kidney that a person should invest on. How much is a RO system cost compared to the treatments that kidney patients pay?

    Anyone who have distilled water filters in your house, dun fall back on science where it says distilled water are the best as the water which condense on the cooling surface does not bring any impurities. You are wrong if you believe in that, have you been to a swimming pool that does not have the smell of chorine? Chorine changes into a gas when boiled and when the water condenses in the distillation system it will bring the gas back to the water when they come into contact, it have been proven that the water that came out of distilled water systems still have chorine which is harmful to the human body in the long run.

    Do you know that water which you boil in water flasks are not safer then water straight from the tap due to the residues that remains inside.

    Even some companies that sell filtered or energise water system didn't say it have membranes inside their filters. They just goes thru a few sets of stone filters that is only able to clear water dirt and larger particles in found in our tap water. The problem with it is that if it filters the dirt where does the dirt go? It all still inside your filters which the water continue to goes thru. If you are not careful, you may be drinking water that is dirtier then tap water. People with fish tanks at home should know what happen if you dun clean the filters often enough. RO water have membranes which self cleans itself, to ensure that no dirt is allowed to be form on the membranes.

    I heard people say they drink filtered water and keep going to the toilet and say they water filter is good.....hey it means that your water is not taken in by your body. It maybe due to your filter not able to remove minerials which your body dun need or you drink too much

    If you think water in the purest form is bad? Our body is made up of 90% water(If i remembered correctly). If the water that you drink is dirty and filled with useless minerals how will your body feel and operate?

    My last tot for all of you, why is singapore or the world having more kidney dialysis centers? It's not becos of NKF is rich. It's becos it's predicted more and more people are going to have kidney problems. I am also not stating that kidney problems are caused by drinking singapore water. I am trying to clear the fact that if we are able to reduce the stress that we are applying on our kidney by drinking clean pure water. Doing so we are reducing the risk of being a kidney failure patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    Just some knowledge from my side. Up to you to believe.

    If people think that water in it's purest form is useless and will drain out materials from your body you are wrong. Do you know why a human have to let out water so often, and do you know how many thousands of minerals are let out thru the urine of the human body? Most of these minerals come from mineralise waters and food that we consume. Our kidney is the one filtering them out and they work extra hard to remove these materials which the body can't take in. Minerials in water are the most useless. Do you know why RO water filters are used in houses of kidney problem patients? Becos RO water filters uses membranes which filters out all minerals from the very water that we drink from the singapore tap.

    And RO filters are said to be the third kidney that a person should invest on. How much is a RO system cost compared to the treatments that kidney patients pay?

    Anyone who have distilled water filters in your house, dun fall back on science where it says distilled water are the best as the water which condense on the cooling surface does not bring any impurities. You are wrong if you believe in that, have you been to a swimming pool that does not have the smell of chorine? Chorine changes into a gas when boiled and when the water condenses in the distillation system it will bring the gas back to the water when they come into contact, it have been proven that the water that came out of distilled water systems still have chorine which is harmful to the human body in the long run.

    Do you know that water which you boil in water flasks are not safer then water straight from the tap due to the residues that remains inside.

    Even some companies that sell filtered or energise water system didn't say it have membranes inside their filters. They just goes thru a few sets of stone filters that is only able to clear water dirt and larger particles in found in our tap water. The problem with it is that if it filters the dirt where does the dirt go? It all still inside your filters which the water continue to goes thru. If you are not careful, you may be drinking water that is dirtier then tap water. People with fish tanks at home should know what happen if you dun clean the filters often enough. RO water have membranes which self cleans itself, to ensure that no dirt is allowed to be form on the membranes.

    I heard people say they drink filtered water and keep going to the toilet and say they water filter is good.....hey it means that your water is not taken in by your body. It maybe due to your filter not able to remove minerials which your body dun need or you drink too much

    If you think water in the purest form is bad? Our body is made up of 90% water(If i remembered correctly). If the water that you drink is dirty and filled with useless minerals how will your body feel and operate?

    My last tot for all of you, why is singapore or the world having more kidney dialysis centers? It's not becos of NKF is rich. It's becos it's predicted more and more people are going to have kidney problems. I am also not stating that kidney problems are caused by drinking singapore water. I am trying to clear the fact that if we are able to reduce the stress that we are applying on our kidney by drinking clean pure water. Doing so we are reducing the risk of being a kidney failure patient.
    Thanks for sharing.

    However it will not change my view on RO water.
    My knowledge first comes from a water treatment system salesman, I don't really believe him because I thought it is just sale tactic. But when I come across this article from world health organization, it really freak me out...

    page 3 para 2

    It was clear from the very beginning that desalinated or demineralised water without further
    enrichment with some minerals might not be fully appropriate for consumption.
    There were three evident reasons for this:
    Demineralised water is highly aggressive and if untreated, its distribution
    through pipes and storage tanks would not be possible. The aggressive
    water attacks the water distribution piping and leaches metals and other
    materials from the pipes and associated plumbing materials.

    • Distilled water has poor taste characteristics.
    • Preliminary evidence was available that some substances present in water
    could have beneficial effects on human health as well as adverse effects.
    For example, experience with artificially fluoridated water showed a
    decrease in the incidence of tooth caries, and some epidemiological studies
    in the 1960’s reported lower morbidity and mortality from some
    cardiovascular diseases in areas with hard water.


    Well if the water can leaches metals then what it can do to our body? IMHO for a healthy person who maintain his daily diets I think its ok.. but for elders and infants, I think its not advisable.
    Take NEW water for example. NEW water is actually RO water.
    Why would PUB wanna mix NEW water with water in the reservoirs first and not pump the NEW water straight to our home? I guess this article has the answer.
    Our nation's pipe works will wear out in no time!

    page 6 from last line

    " Reduced skeletal ossification was also found in rat foetuses whose dams were given distilled water in a one-year study. Apparently the reduced mineral intake from water was not compensated by their diets. "



    Anyone who is interested, its a 22 pages article. Though not an official document but I guess it serve as a good reference.
    Click here

    The water sanition health section from WHO website is a good place with some interesting articles to read regarding water quality.

    Click-> World Health Organization
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    I think Sukoo maybe right about the whole thing. But one thing that is still not answered, if de-mineralise water is not good for the body why did WHO together with water quality companies still give certs to machines that are used in households to demineralise water?

    Are the RO, UV, distillation systems sold here have ways to control the minerals to be filtered away and leaving only the good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    I think Sukoo maybe right about the whole thing. But one thing that is still not answered, if de-mineralise water is not good for the body why did WHO together with water quality companies still give certs to machines that are used in households to demineralise water?

    Are the RO, UV, distillation systems sold here have ways to control the minerals to be filtered away and leaving only the good?


    RO water is basically ultra pure H2O. There is nothing left in the water. No minerals no nothing, so what do u mean by leaving the only good? If there is still something left in the water then it can't be call RO water at all!

    Its purity means that it grasps at everthing within reach, seeking to absorb minerals and nutrients wherever it find them. That's why I don't think it is a good ideal to drink large quantities of distilled or RO water for pro-long period.

    I remember reading a book, can't remember the book name though, which suggest that RO water can occasionally be used for short term purgative effects to remove excessive toxins from body.



    The following are extracted from the Water Quality Association website.
    Hope it help in answering your question.


    Water Quality Association
    04/21/2006


    CERTIFIED REVERSE OSMOSIS UNITS

    NSF/ANSI-58 Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Treatment Systems

    This section of the directory lists those reverse osmosis units which have been WQA certified in accordance with "Voluntary Industry Standard For Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water Treatment Systems," NSF/ANSI-58, and is published periodically by the Water Quality Association (WQA), as a service to the industry and consumers. The WQA is a not-for-profit international association of manufacturers, distributors, and dealers of water treatment systems for household, commercial, and industrial applications. This on-line directory is continuously updated to identify those water treatment equipment products that have been tested and passed stringent industry standards to become certified by the Water Quality Association.

    Certification means that a production model of the listed line of reverse osmosis units was tested at the Water Quality Association laboratory, or any of the other testing laboratories recognized by the Water Quality Association, and was found to have met the standards for reduction of total dissolved solids (TDS) and other contaminants in drinking water. In addition, the materials and components used in these certified drinking water treatment units have met the rigorous safety and structural integrity and strength requirements set by industry Standard NSF/ANSI-58.

    Volatile Organic Chemical (VOC) Reduction Claim
    VOC Reduction claims include reduction of the following chemicals:
    alachlor
    atrazine
    benzene
    carbofuran
    carbon tetrachloride
    chlorobenzene
    chloropicrin
    2,4-D
    dibromochloroproane (DBCP)
    o-dichlorobenzene
    p-dichlorobenzene
    1,2-dichloroethylene
    1,1-dichloroethylene
    cis-1,2-dichloroethylene
    trans-1,2-dichloroethylene
    1,2-dichloropropane
    cis-1,3-dichloropropylene dinoseb
    endrin
    ethylbenzene
    ethylene dibromide (EDB)
    haloacetonitriles (HAN)
    bromochloroacetonitrile
    dibromoacetonitrile
    dichloroacetonitrile
    trichloroacetonitrile
    haloketones (HK)
    1,1-dichloro-2-propanone
    1,1,1-trichloro-2-propanone
    heptachlor (H-34, Heptox)
    heptachlor epoxide
    hexachlorobutadiene
    hexachlorocyclopentadiene
    lindane methoxychlor
    pentachlorophenol
    simazine
    styrene
    1,1,2,2-tetrachloroethane
    tetrachloroethylene
    toluene
    2,4,5-TP (silvex)
    tribromoacetic acid
    1,2,4-trichlorobenzene
    1,1,1-trichloroethane
    1,1,2-trichloroethane
    trichloroethylene
    trihalomethanes
    chloroform
    bromoform
    bromodichloromethane
    chlorodibromomethane
    xylenes


    It is just like the ISO certification for companies...
    Yes they are certified but that does not mean their customers will be 100% satisfied with their services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    Just some knowledge from my side. Up to you to believe.

    If people think that water in it's purest form is useless and will drain out materials from your body you are wrong. Do you know why a human have to let out water so often, and do you know how many thousands of minerals are let out thru the urine of the human body? Most of these minerals come from mineralise waters and food that we consume. Our kidney is the one filtering them out and they work extra hard to remove these materials which the body can't take in. Minerials in water are the most useless. Do you know why RO water filters are used in houses of kidney problem patients? Becos RO water filters uses membranes which filters out all minerals from the very water that we drink from the singapore tap.

    And RO filters are said to be the third kidney that a person should invest on. How much is a RO system cost compared to the treatments that kidney patients pay?

    Hi leumas01,
    Correct me if I'm wrong.
    U seem to be giving me an impression that feeding RO water is part of the treatment for kidney patients? But it is not right?
    Am I right to say that it is up to the individual patient to have RO water system installed at home and it is not a recognised or standard treatment procedure?

    I guess the benefit is just that the purity of RO water might help to lessen the load on the sick kidneys by helping to drain out toxins in the blood which is suppose to be the duty of healthy kidneys.
    But that is not really necessary as the patient is still going through dialysis which is serving the same purpose right?

    Unless u are saying that by drinking RO water kidney failure patients can eliminate the needs of dialysis partially or even totally then its a total different story.

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    7 whole pages and u guys are still on this diamond water, energy water, RO water wadever crap?

    Ok, I've been drinking water both off the taps and normal boiled for the past 27yrs. If there's an instant death case due to ingesting 'not so healthy water', let me be the first case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    7 whole pages and u guys are still on this diamond water, energy water, RO water wadever crap?

    Ok, I've been drinking water both off the taps and normal boiled for the past 27yrs. If there's an instant death case due to ingesting 'not so healthy water', let me be the first case.
    Hahaa... that's what the majority of the people think, they always say "I have been living this way for the past 30 yrs do this and doing that... and look men, I'm still as healthy as before!"

    But it never come to their mind that every patients was equally healthy before he/she became a patient.

    Well instant death is the best way to die. But the fact is we don't die instantly from cancer, kidney failure and certain cardiovascular dieases.
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    I just happen to know a few kidney families whose house are installed RO water systems as recommended by doctors and also a lady who have been drinking bottled mineral water for years and doctors have ask her to stop drinking that as her kidneys are failing due to that, and ask her to drink RO water instead.

    I am not saying that it's a machine that every kidney patient should have but it is recommended by their doctors. I think it just help them keep their body safe by reducing the minerals in the water. Just a small fact, nothing much. I think you can ask around if you have come across families with kidney patients and why they use RO water system.

    But thanks for all the inputs that you have been giving cos it enriches my knowledge as well.

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    as they said in hokkien, "ban ban sie". or "slowly, slowly die" in english.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukoo
    Hahaa... that's what the majority of the people think, they always say "I have been living this way for the past 30 yrs do this and doing that... and look men, I'm still as healthy as before!"

    But it never come to their mind that every patients was equally healthy before he/she became a patient.

    Well instant death is the best way to die. But the fact is we don't die instantly from cancer, kidney failure and certain cardiovascular dieases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukoo
    I’ve did some research previously. Honestly I did not come across any data or studies that support the claim. .
    There you go, no data. On such a important subject in which millions may be affected. You want to know why? Before you shout conspiracy, in my experience, when one does a literature review and finds little data in support or against a scientific point, particularly one that seems ripe for and easily studied, chances are its been done and the data does not support the hypothesis substantially.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukoo
    But I have come across tons of information on the internet on subjects like the relationship between chlorine and cancer and the water quality.
    Sorry, doesn't cut it. Data, data, data please. There are tonnes of mechanistic hypotheses out there, many of which seem so convincing and logical, and eventually found to be wanting. For a long time, people thought that hormone replacement therapy would be beneficial to post-menopausal women in terms of reducing cardiovascular risks. This was the conventional medical opinion and there was a wealth of supporting mechanistic and biological explanations why it should be so, almost totally unquestioned. Ultimately, it was all proven to be wrong, by DATA, in a huge multi-thousand patient study.

    The only way to fully evaluate if a mechanistic claim is true or not is to look at the DATA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukoo
    This is the link
    Well people can say that its a commercial website and how true is their claim?

    How about a report from the Water Quality Association from US?
    Click here

    Its a two pages article please have some patient and finish it..
    I've read the newapaper article as well the the abstract of the paper on which it was based, reproduced below for your reference;

    OBJECTIVES. Individual epidemiological investigations into the association between chlorination by-products in drinking water and cancer have been suggestive but inconclusive. Enough studies exist to provide the basis for a meaningful meta-analysis. METHODS. An extensive literature search was performed to identify pertinent case-control studies and cohort studies. Consumption of chlorinated water, surface water, or water with high levels of chloroform was used as a surrogate for exposure to chlorination by-products. Relative risk estimates were abstracted from the individual studies and pooled. RESULTS. A simple meta-analysis of all cancer sites yielded a relative risk estimate for exposure to chlorination by-products of 1.15 (95% CI: 1.09, 1.20). Pooled relative risk estimates for organ-specific neoplasms were 1.21 (95% CI: 1.09, 1.34) for bladder cancer and 1.38 (95% CI: 1.01, 1.87) for rectal cancer. When studies that adjusted for potential confounders were pooled separately, estimates of relative risks did not change substantially. CONCLUSIONS. The results of this meta-analysis suggest a positive association between consumption of chlorination by-products in drinking water and bladder and rectal cancer in humans..

    They quite boldly draw the conculsion of a risk. Unfortunately, it is a meta-analysis, a retrospective look as it were. Whilst I do not question their methodology, it is not always easy to control for biases in these types of studies particularly "publication bias". And I put it to you that the increase in risk, though statistically significant, does not amount to a major public health issue. For instance, if in fact what they are saying is true, just for perspective, say the incidence bladder cancer were 1 in 100 in the general popualtion. Then a 15% increase would increase it to 1.15/100. That is, increase from approx 6/600 to 7/600.

    Here is a link to another article you may find useful --> http://jech.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/57/3/166

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukoo
    So with so much information, why do people still need data to show that drinking clean non-chlorinated water is beneticial to health?.
    I remain unconvinced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sukoo
    There are fathers who rather spend money on big cars, sons who willing to pay thousand of dollars for expensive cameras, husbands who buy big plasma TV but they question the purpose of paying even just a 100 buck or even less for a simple carbon water filter.
    IMO the health of the family is just not their priority.
    Its simple economics. If I had $100 to spend on a pair of running shoes or a water filter, which do I spend on to get the most health benefit? The running shoes, always! You spend the money where you think you will get the most utility. How much utility is there in buying a water filter? I think the majority think it isn't very much, and I must say I agree.
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    it reminded me of dupont's telfon coating. such telfon coating's labels were so common.
    non-disclosure of potential risks.

    does anyone knows if home cooking requires 240 degrees F?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    Anyone who have distilled water filters in your house, dun fall back on science where it says distilled water are the best as the water which condense on the cooling surface does not bring any impurities. You are wrong if you believe in that, have you been to a swimming pool that does not have the smell of chorine? Chorine changes into a gas when boiled and when the water condenses in the distillation system it will bring the gas back to the water when they come into contact, it have been proven that the water that came out of distilled water systems still have chorine which is harmful to the human body in the long run.
    Don't forget Chloramine the more stable form of chlorine is in our water. As for water filters, do not associate with distilled water, RO is not any other forms. As for distillation system that still contains impurities ... you are very wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    If you think water in the purest form is bad? Our body is made up of 90% water(If i remembered correctly). If the water that you drink is dirty and filled with useless minerals how will your body feel and operate?
    components of water H2O is different from drinking water, based on your argument, you should be able to clone another human being by putting in the right chemical composition ...

    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    I am also not stating that kidney problems are caused by drinking singapore water. I am trying to clear the fact that if we are able to reduce the stress that we are applying on our kidney by drinking clean pure water. Doing so we are reducing the risk of being a kidney failure patient.
    What are you trying to say here, is there a problem with singapore water or not?

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    Dear Leumas,

    Quote Originally Posted by leumas01
    I just happen to know a few kidney families whose house are installed RO water systems as recommended by doctors and also a lady who have been drinking bottled mineral water for years and doctors have ask her to stop drinking that as her kidneys are failing due to that, and ask her to drink RO water instead.

    I am not saying that it's a machine that every kidney patient should have but it is recommended by their doctors. I think it just help them keep their body safe by reducing the minerals in the water. Just a small fact, nothing much. I think you can ask around if you have come across families with kidney patients and why they use RO water system.
    Do find out from the same doctor or get the patient(s) to find out, if RO water is suitable for non kidney failure cases and why.

    Drinking bottled mineral water is very different from municipal water. Besides, there are also many types of mineral water.

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