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    Looks like there's no answer to my prev question.

    Anyway, could you ask your 'lawyer' friend to look at s64 of the Copyright Act and let me know if he/she's still maintaining his/her previously viewpoint.

    Quote Originally Posted by nova_nebula
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    In the first place.... Singapore is not a democracy.... The government never said it was anyway..... Accurately we are an Socialist Republic. Dissent is not encouraged but very much frowned upon.... Holding protests or "fighting" for your rights especially if it involves the media is asking for it.... remember the "Buangkok White Elephant" case?

    Its a perfect example of Government intolerance to any form of dissent.... I mean come on, who will lodge a police report just because someone put up white elephant cards at that station? winkzzz think about it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg
    In the first place.... Singapore is not a democracy.... The government never said it was anyway..... Accurately we are an Socialist Republic. Dissent is not encouraged but very much frowned upon.... Holding protests or "fighting" for your rights especially if it involves the media is asking for it.... remember the "Buangkok White Elephant" case?

    Its a perfect example of Government intolerance to any form of dissent.... I mean come on, who will lodge a police report just because someone put up white elephant cards at that station? winkzzz think about it....
    A socialist republic doesn't really mean democratic rights are suppressed dude. It just means that there are state-owned agencies and companies that have substantial dominance in the corporate and industrial sector.


    It also means that the state has welfare privileges to the populace who qualify based on their citizenship and other factors.


    Ah, or are you relating to the “Socialist Republics” of the former USSR? It will be more desirable to title Singapore a democratic socialist state, with extensive state control on the mass-media and national interests such as the public transportation network and education, which means private education institutions are regulated heavily.

    By the way, most socialists regarded socialism a movement that implies at some of point of time, democracy. So even if you insist we are a socialist state, it will be, theoretically correct.
    Last edited by Slivester; 2nd January 2006 at 03:57 PM.

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    Have you recited the pledge lately?

    In any case, the thing is that the govt wants an "Asian" democracy, not a western democracy, ha ha..



    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg
    In the first place.... Singapore is not a democracy.... The government never said it was anyway.....

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    a little help to his 'lawyer'

    from the statutes...
    Buildings and models of buildings
    64. The copyright in a building or a model of a building is not infringed by the making of a painting, drawing, engraving or photograph of the building or model or by the inclusion of the building or model in a cinematograph film or in a television broadcast.
    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123
    Looks like there's no answer to my prev question.

    Anyway, could you ask your 'lawyer' friend to look at s64 of the Copyright Act and let me know if he/she's still maintaining his/her previously viewpoint.
    Last edited by rncw; 2nd January 2006 at 05:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waileong
    Have you recited the pledge lately?

    In any case, the thing is that the govt wants an "Asian" democracy, not a western democracy, ha ha..
    If Im not wrong, a certain very SENIOR Minister once said that "People are not able to think for themselves.... hence they need intelligent Ministers to think for them..."

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    Heheh, now we wait and see...

    Quote Originally Posted by rncw
    a little help to his 'lawyer'

    from the statutes...

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    i was once stopped by police for carry my SLR on a tripod walking around my housing carpark after my midnite shoot (abt 1am) from a nearby overhead bridge..

    but they're ok... just ask where am i going? what am i doing with the camera..? n wanted to check IC.. but the funny part was tat i was just right below my home wearing bamudas & singlet.. of course w/o IC...

    they just say they doing their checks and left after that.. LOL quite funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg
    If Im not wrong, a certain very SENIOR Minister once said that "People are not able to think for themselves.... hence they need intelligent Ministers to think for them..."
    Its a sort of mild conception: Sometimes it just seemed that most common populace can't make the right decision, so they resist changes. Although I won't say Ministers are intelligent, I say our ministers did a good job keeping this nation going.

    And that is all. No doubt over the surpressed rights and lack of freedom of expression compared other nations. But again, thats just other nations. Go ahead and have riots daily and civil wars fought right to your doorstep and see your economy crippled. That is freedom of expression.

    And do you want that or some senior ministers who will at least care for the state?
    Last edited by Slivester; 3rd January 2006 at 07:55 AM.

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    Another oversimplification and stereotyping.

    Freedom of expressions = riots all over the place, war, bad economy.

    Brainwashing has been very effective in this country.

    Anyone ever been to Finland, Norway, Sweden, UK? Or closer to home, Thailand?

    All have a free press.

    Are they filled with riots every day?

    Thailand has some religious tension now, but it is certainly not a country about to collapse because of freedom of expression.


    Quote Originally Posted by Slivester
    Its a sort of mild conception: Sometimes it just seemed that most common populace can't make the right decision, so they resist changes. Although I won't say Ministers are intelligent, I say our ministers did a good job keeping this nation going.

    And that is all. No doubt over the surpressed rights and lack of freedom of expression compared other nations. But again, thats just other nations. Go ahead and have riots daily and civil wars fought right to your doorstep and see your economy crippled. That is freedom of expression.

    And do you want that or some senior ministers who will at least care for the state?
    Last edited by waileong; 3rd January 2006 at 09:24 AM.

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    ot: seeing a lot of back seat politicians here... its so east to criticise. when it come down to the crunch, nobody want to run in the elections.... all just hot air...

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    Ha! That's what the ruling party always says...

    The logical conclusion to your assertion is that, if you don't like (just example only) certain features of Canon cameras, why are you complaining in the Canon forum only, why don't you start a company to beat Canon?

    Free expression (and that includes exchange of opinions, debates, etc) is part of civic society. So is criticism.

    To use the Canon example, if you don't like certain features of Canon, you would prob look at the market, see if there's anything better-- if Nikon is better, definitely you would not buy Canon any more. But just because you buy Canon does not mean that you should not complain about their stupid features-- eg. how difficult it is to do MLU on a Canon body.

    If you don't complain, and just suffer in silence, how will Canon know?

    If you complain, and the company says, you just blowing hot air, why don't you start a company to come and beat us, what will you think of this company?

    Start up or shut up? It will be a sad day if photographers believe that the only way to effect change is to start their own company to compete against the incumbent.

    Brainwashing in this country is so effective....

    Quote Originally Posted by zekai
    ot: seeing a lot of back seat politicians here... its so east to criticise. when it come down to the crunch, nobody want to run in the elections.... all just hot air...
    Last edited by waileong; 3rd January 2006 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zekai
    ot: seeing a lot of back seat politicians here... its so east to criticise. when it come down to the crunch, nobody want to run in the elections.... all just hot air...

    You are right! Reminder to all CS'ers, all polictical discussions or anything close are not encouraged in ClubSNAP.

    For that , I'm closing this thread.

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