Canon EOS 1D Mark IIn with APS digital lenses

[hazmee]

Hi everyone,

I've been searching for threads at CS about the 1D Mark IIn users' opinion but to no avail. I am doing my research and planning and hope to seek expert advice. Has anyone tried using APS lenses e.g. the Sigma 10-20, Tokina 12-24 on the 1D Mark II? Anyone experienced any vignetting? Between the 1D Mark IIn and the 'old' Mark II, is it worth the extra cash to go for the 1D Mark IIn?

Thanks.

Cheers

[TrailsofLife]

Sure vignette one lah

[shinken]

Bigger screen and picture styles? Some file naming override thing as I well I think? Read the differences a few times, can only recall these much...

Brand new, from shops, don't think it's that easy to find the 1D2. If you can find, don't think it'll be much cheaper than the 1D2n. Unless you're talking abt resale, which is not exactly an apple-apple comparison, since resale so much cheaper, scale will tip in favour of the 1D2.

[JediForce4ever]

I will go for the MkIIn if I have the money.

[hazmee]

Originally Posted by Max 2.8 Sure vignette one lah

No offense Max but have you tried one or are just assuming it would? Some samples would be useful too. Thanks ya.

Originally Posted by shinken Bigger screen and picture styles? Some file naming override thing as I well I think? Read the differences a few times, can only recall these much... Brand new, from shops, don't think it's that easy to find the 1D2. If you can find, don't think it'll be much cheaper than the 1D2n. Unless you're talking abt resale, which is not exactly an apple-apple comparison, since resale so much cheaper, scale will tip in favour of the 1D2.

I read the specs too like a million times. I must say its nearly impossible for me to try out at the shops since most of them arent really that willing to let me have a look at it. Well that's another story.

Anyway, I used the old 1D for quite sometime before I gave that one up for the 20D. I am thinking of moving on with better body. For now, I am just doing my research. People say I must be crazy moving on to another 8MP camera but there's more to it that just MP. Somehow, I am leaning towards the 1 series than than the 5D.

Thanks for the reply btw.

[JediForce4ever]

agree..no shops will just let you try out the 1D...unless you look really pro...

[+evenstar]

Originally Posted by hazmee No offense Max but have you tried one or are just assuming it would? Some samples would be useful too. Thanks ya.

The lenses are built for 1.6x crop bodies....1.3x crop bodies sure vignette

[shinken]

If you can mount it, and find someone who's willing to let you mount it, and if it works, try shooting at F8 onwards. Easier solution is to get rid of the EF-S lens. Demand going strong. Quite a lot of choices in the EF line-up isn't it?

No store willing to let you try? This is where relationship with shop helps, which is why I only patronise one place and nowhere else.

[hazmee]

Originally Posted by shinken If you can mount it, and find someone who's willing to let you mount it, and if it works, try shooting at F8 onwards. Easier solution is to get rid of the EF-S lens. Demand going strong. Quite a lot of choices in the EF line-up isn't it? No store willing to let you try? This is where relationship with shop helps, which is why I only patronise one place and nowhere else.

Suprisingly, I dont have any EF-S lenses. Its just the APS digital lenses which I have namely, the Sigma 10-20 and 18-125. I am planning to sell away the 18-125 and keep the 10-20 but looks like I might have to sell both. Oh well.

Iits good to know a few other stores in my opinion. I can understand their worry sometimes for letting people 'toy' around with such expensive equipment. Anyway, most of them judge their customers by the cover which is a normal thing I guess. Maybe I should bring all my L-lenses in my dry box just to show them how serious I am about. :P

[shinken]

Originally Posted by hazmee Suprisingly, I dont have any EF-S lenses. Its just the APS digital lenses which I have namely, the Sigma 10-20 and 18-125. I am planning to sell away the 18-125 and keep the 10-20 but looks like I might have to sell both. Oh well.

It's always fun to try new lenses For me at least... Good luck on you 1D2 upgrade. Has a magical feel to it :P

[agape01]

The bottom line is this....

APS lenses are built for senors that are within 1.5 to 1.6 FLM. So if you want let's say a Tokina 12-24 on a 1D2N as what you have posted earlier, what you would experience would be mirror slaps on the lens itself. I asked that question to the people at Cathay Photo while I still had my old 1D2.

If you still had your old 1D, why not go to the shop and see whether they would let you try that out for yourself.

On the other hand, ask yourself what do you want to shoot with a 1D2N in regards to wide angle shots. Architecture, outdoor landscapes? or you intend to use it to do wedding photography? If you're choosing it for outdoor landscapes, then why not go for the Sigma 12-24. But if you want to use it to do weddings, then the 16-35 f/2.8L might be a better choice for you.

Lastly, up to you whether you want to take my view. Between the 1D2N and 1D2, the only major significant difference is picture style. That is the major difference. Although, I have been told that the pixel pitch for the 1D2N is higher, but I think that for the money invested take the 1D2. Spend the extra on more reliable CF cards like Sandisk Extreme III 4GB. Shoot everything in CR2 and then decide which picture style suits you best. That is my view although I have not tested it fully yet.

[hazmee]

Hi Agape,

Thank you for the useful insights. I dont have my old 1D. To be honest, I was swayed into buying the 20D and 300D at that time. I was still green with my investments back then so I thought why have one expensive camera when you can have two. I also bought loads of zoom and prime lenses. I am the type of person who wants to bring everything for a shoot, I do weddings and events btw.

Now I am thinking of bringing one camera, one lens for my shoot. I fiddled with the 5D a lot and I m not impressed with it after a long consideration. It felt good at first but the price made me fall back for a while. Sigh... decisions decisions...

I'll wait for the prices to drop.

[Garion]

So far have not tried any APS-C lens on 1D MKII body, so not sure if it causes vignetting or not, but I suppose by by right it should. Best way is to test it out at the shop yourself.

Regarding 1DII and 1DIIN, it depends on whether u want to go for brand new or resale. For resale, current prices of used 1DII body are hovering around 5k. If you don't mind resale body, it is much more worth it to get than a brand new 1DII in the shops, which for the price I'd rather shell out a bit more to get the 1DIIN. But are the differences sufficient enough to warrant the extra cash spent? IMHO, not really. The main difference is the bigger LCD screen and the Picture styles, which isn't that useful if you are RAW shooter.

Originally Posted by agape01 Lastly, up to you whether you want to take my view. Between the 1D2N and 1D2, the only major significant difference is picture style. That is the major difference. Although, I have been told that the pixel pitch for the 1D2N is higher, but I think that for the money invested take the 1D2. Spend the extra on more reliable CF cards like Sandisk Extreme III 4GB. Shoot everything in CR2 and then decide which picture style suits you best. That is my view although I have not tested it fully yet

The pixel pitch is the same (8.2 microns?). They both use the same 8.2M sensor. But I agree with you, I rather get the 1DII, the extra money saved could go into things like CF card, new flash, or a even a new lens.

Originally Posted by hazmee Anyway, I used the old 1D for quite sometime before I gave that one up for the 20D. I am thinking of moving on with better body. For now, I am just doing my research. People say I must be crazy moving on to another 8MP camera but there's more to it that just MP. Somehow, I am leaning towards the 1 series than than the 5D.

No, you are not crazy at all. Camera body is quite subjective, really it depends largely on an individual's preferences. Coming from a 10D/20D, the 1 series is a really big step up in terms of performance and handling, it is an extremely responsive cam. The learning curve is bigger with this cam and it takes some time to get used to the interface as well. There is a a subtle difference in images produced by 20D and 1DII. It may not be discernable at first, but picture quality from the 1DII is subtly better in terms of details extracted from the chip and also dynamic range, you will also notice that highlights don't blow out that easily.

Either way, both the 1DII or 1DIIN are worthy upgrades to your 20D.

[TMC]

Listen to Garion. But I can also tell you that the APS lens will vignette on the your 1D2N sensor.

[lakatos]

Not sure about 1DMIIn but saw This site whereby comparison is made with sigma 10-20mm on the older 1D .

[TrailsofLife]

Originally Posted by hazmee Suprisingly, I dont have any EF-S lenses. Its just the APS digital lenses which I have namely, the Sigma 10-20 and 18-125. I am planning to sell away the 18-125 and keep the 10-20 but looks like I might have to sell both. Oh well. Iits good to know a few other stores in my opinion. I can understand their worry sometimes for letting people 'toy' around with such expensive equipment. Anyway, most of them judge their customers by the cover which is a normal thing I guess. Maybe I should bring all my L-lenses in my dry box just to show them how serious I am about. :P

18-125 & 10-20 is APS wat? I dun have a 1.3X crop camera but based on the logic that these lens are made for 1.6X or 1.5X crop, there will be vignette. I can confirm without even testing the lens on a 1.3X body.

Having said that, I'll say you can still use APS lens on 1.3X crop body but zoom in alittle to lose the vignette. So you lost your 18mm and 10mm, maybe you'll get 12mm and 20mm or something like that.

[TrailsofLife]

Originally Posted by lakatos Not sure about 1DMIIn but saw This site whereby comparison is made with sigma 10-20mm on the older 1D .

This is a good example

[Firefox]

Originally Posted by Max 2.8 Sure vignette one lah

I wouldn't be too sure of that.. There is, afterall, an APS-H standard which has a crop-factor of approximately 1.3x.

1.5x - 1.6x is only the APS-C standard..

[TrailsofLife]

Originally Posted by Firefox I wouldn't be too sure of that.. There is, afterall, an APS-H standard which has a crop-factor of approximately 1.3x. 1.5x - 1.6x is only the APS-C standard..

i think what he have is for 1.6x crop

[Firefox]

Originally Posted by Max 2.8 i think what he have is for 1.6x crop

Not sure of that since he didn't state whether he has those lenses and would like to get the 1D MK IIn or whether he wants to get those lenses to match the 1D MK IIn.

Either way, I'd have thought that someone who's shelling out the dough for the camera would be pairing it up with nicer FF lenses.. Like the L line..