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    Quote Originally Posted by John Teoh
    Then have to wait for next year lor.

    Anyway asking the fellow to pay back is one possible way specially if the Police is going to charge him. I understand that it might be used as a reason to ask for a lighter sentencebut subjected to the judge's final decision.

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    Maybe if i am the lawyer... i'll say...

    My client have suffered an immense amount of pain & stress that his gears (D2H & 17-55mm & other equipment) have been taken away from him. In no prejudice, i'll seek request that the defendant pay my client the plaintiff in cash of 50 thousand dollars or in kind, a D2X (or any latest high end professional DSLR camera) and a full set of Trinity lenses, with a full range of Tamrac cases, lifetime supply of lenspens & batteries.

    ok lah... me only joking lah...
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    How i wish this could end up in a happy way...

    Now 1 lost his equipment due to carelessness another lost his freedom due to greed.

    Don't know what to said..

    Hope KT can get over it or recover the lost equipment and the other not the only sole provider for the families..

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    Default Re: Red Alert : KT needs our help ~!

    18 dec got MP dialog at Blk 103, can try

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    Quote Originally Posted by evq
    Hi KT,

    Got a friend from the police. I related ur incident to him & here's his advice;
    - The only way for u to recover ur lost is to proceed with a civil sue against him, with mean u gotta engage a lawer. Chances of getting him to pay are also quite slim. U may enough end up paying more for the lawer.
    - The police will press charges on him, sentence are up to 2yr jail. Jail term is definitely.
    He will be celebrating ghis X'mas in Changi.
    Thanks for infor, evq.
    This is important to me.
    I will have to see how the situation goes and decide later when the Police revert to me.

    And of course, X'mas to him in our government sponsored Changi Chalet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Tiger
    Thanks for infor, evq.
    This is important to me.
    I will have to see how the situation goes and decide later when the Police revert to me.

    And of course, X'mas to him in our government sponsored Changi Chalet.
    and best of all hor, he might be joining the christmas carol group... u might be given invites to the concert as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Teoh
    What about trying here for some advise first?

    http://www.safra.org.sg/membership/legal.shtml

    Cheers
    John
    Can't make it as 22nd ~ 26th Dec I will be in Hong Kong for Holiday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega
    18 dec got MP dialog at Blk 103, can try
    ortega, can MP provide legal advise ?
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    Sorry to hear that you didn't manage to get your stuff back.

    There might still be a tiny little hope left, that is, if he told the police what he did with the equipment. Perhaps then they would be able to track them down.

    Take it easy and let the police/courts do their job.

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    feel sorry to hear that the items have not been recovered ... yet.

    for all you know the police investigation might have met with some complications on the suspect's side ... relax KT, you've tried your best, 以平常心去面对问题

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    what the.. so the police cant do anything even if he admitted
    taking the items..???
    wth??
    next time be theif just steal then quickly sell den wont get caught larz..?
    really cheese cake sia..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben77
    what the.. so the police cant do anything even if he admitted
    taking the items..???
    wth??
    next time be theif just steal then quickly sell den wont get caught larz..?
    really cheese cake sia..
    What u expect? Police to withdraw $$ from his bank a/c & return to KT?
    They can only try to find out where he disposed the stolen stuff & retrieve whatever they can.
    Anyway, justice is done & he will be serving his time.

    Btw, he was caught in the act(by CCTV), not while selling the stuff.

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    sigh.. perhaps if the police have acted faster, the culprit may not have the time to sell the stuff.

    I believe KT should ask for an explaination on why the men in blue took so long to act even though KT had supplied all the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlchong
    sigh.. perhaps if the police have acted faster, the culprit may not have the time to sell the stuff.

    I believe KT should ask for an explaination on why the men in blue took so long to act even though KT had supplied all the evidence.
    Agreed.

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    Sorry to hear that things didnt go as originally hoped for.

    But if there's a will, there will surely be a way to retrieve your stuff.

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    no way, a criminal offence is a criminal offence. if a criminal offence is committed and police has the evidence, charges will be pressed against the prepetrator.

    paying $ back may only account towards mitigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Teoh
    Anyway asking the fellow to pay back is one possible way specially if the Police is going to charge him. I understand that it might be used as a reason to ask for a lighter sentencebut subjected to the judge's final decision.

    Cheers
    John

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    Lightbulb Re: Red Alert : KT needs our help ~!

    no. even if the MP is a lawyer, he will refrain from giving legal advice. he is there as an MP.

    Quote Originally Posted by King Tiger
    ortega, can MP provide legal advise ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    no. even if the MP is a lawyer, he will refrain from giving legal advice. he is there as an MP.
    the MP can push ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by evq
    Hi KT,

    Got a friend from the police. I related ur incident to him & here's his advice;
    - The only way for u to recover ur lost is to proceed with a civil sue against him, with mean u gotta engage a lawer. Chances of getting him to pay are also quite slim. U may enough end up paying more for the lawer.
    - The police will press charges on him, sentence are up to 2yr jail. Jail term is definitely.
    He will be celebrating ghis X'mas in Changi.
    Under the PENAL CODE (CAP 224) REVISED EDITION 1985, s403, Dishonest misappropriation of property :

    Whoever dishonestly misappropriates or converts to his own use movable property, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, or with fine, or with both.

    Explanation 1.
    A dishonest misappropriation for a time only is a misappropriation within the meaning of this section.

    Explanation 2.
    A person who finds property not in the possession of any other person, and takes such property for the purpose of protecting it for, or of restoring it to the owner, does not take or misappropriate it dishonestly, and is not guilty of an offence; but he is guilty of the offence above defined, if he appropriates it to his own use, when he knows or has the means of discovering the owner, or before he has used reasonable means to discover and give notice to the owner, and has kept the property a reasonable time to enable the owner to claim it.

    What are reasonable means, or what is a reasonable time in such a case, is a question of fact.

    It is not necessary that the finder should know who is the owner of the property, or that any particular person is the owner of it; it is sufficient if, at the time of appropriating it, he does not believe it to be his own property, or in good faith believe that the real owner cannot be found.

    Illustrations
    (a) A finds a dollar on the high road, not knowing to whom the dollar belongs. A picks up the dollar. Here A has not committed the offence defined in this section.

    (b) A finds a letter on the high road, containing a bank note. From the direction and contents of the letter he learns to whom the note belongs. He appropriates the note. He is guilty of an offence under this section.

    (c) A finds a cheque payable to bearer. He can form no conjecture as to the person who has lost the cheque. But the name of the person who has drawn the cheque appears. A knows that this person can direct him to the person in whose favour the cheque was drawn. A appropriates the cheque without attempting to discover the owner. He is guilty of an offence under this section.

    (d) A sees Z drop his purse with money in it. A picks up the purse with the intention of restoring it to Z, but afterwards appropriates it to his own use. A has committed an offence under this section.

    (e) A finds a purse with money, not knowing to whom it belongs; he afterwards discovers that it belongs to Z, and appropriates it to his own use. A is guilty of an offence under this section.

    (f) A finds a valuable ring, not knowing to whom it belongs. A sells it immediately without attempting to discover the owner. A is guilty of an offence under this section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    no. even if the MP is a lawyer, he will refrain from giving legal advice. he is there as an MP.
    Err... i got friends who got letters from their MP to get things done ie. Request to return to a local polytechnic after being kicked out

    But then, seems like a MP letter here oso won't help much ....

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    not all MPs' intervention will help matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by kegler
    Err... i got friends who got letters from their MP to get things done ie. Request to return to a local polytechnic after being kicked out

    But then, seems like a MP letter here oso won't help much ....

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