Page 10 of 10 FirstFirst ... 58910
Results 181 to 199 of 199

Thread: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

  1. #181
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    HOME
    Posts
    306

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Sorry I am oversea currently, so did not follow or read the singapore News. (and I have served NS and done reservist)

    I think the main point here is, did he enlist in the first place? If not, he is still a civilian. So all the AWOL thingy doesn't apply. He committed a civilian offence (i.e. did not enlist), so the fine of just $5000, should be applicable to everyone not just the WH.

    Next, is he below 40 years old, if not, Mindef also don't want him, too old.

    Finally, is he still a Singaporean? He didn't want his Singapore citizenship anymore, so he does not enjoy any benefit from Singapore or its government. (i.e. he rather be a "2nd class" citizen in another country) So the government cannot do anything to him except to charge him for the civilian offence he committed 30 years ago.

    Anyway, if they start reviewing the penalty, you guys better pray hard your sons remember to enlist, otherwise, you are going to pay with the new penalty and not just $5000!
    Last edited by pcwe68; 1st December 2005 at 06:49 PM.

  2. #182
    Senior Member xtemujin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Singapura, Singapore
    Posts
    2,778

    Arrow Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Dear Colonel Benedict Lim,


    Thank you for the replies that was published in the Straits Times.

    I would like to add that no matter how you damage control, slice and dice the situation, it has cheapen the blood, sweat and tears of those who have served the 2/2.5 years of National Service.

    I now understand that the 3G SAF is a 3 Grand($3000) SAF.


    Thank you.


    Yours truly,
    NSman with 10 years of reservist.

  3. #183

    Lightbulb Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    dr, you are entitle to your opinion. i am entitle to mine. i see no necessity to see 'eye to eye'.

    Quote Originally Posted by student
    So what appeared in the forum is reliable?
    Last edited by reachme2003; 1st December 2005 at 10:28 PM.

  4. #184

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    dr, you are entitle to your opinion. i am entitle to mine. i see no necessity to see 'eye to eye'.
    There is no need to see "eye-to-eye".

    But knowing what to believe and deem reliable is to me quite important. I am not a press person, but over a quarter of century experience dealing with the press, and "other things" have made me a skeptic.

    You are entitled to believe what you want to believe. It is OK with me.

  5. #185

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by student
    There is no need to see "eye-to-eye".

    But knowing what to believe and deem reliable is to me quite important. I am not a press person, but over a quarter of century experience dealing with the press, and "other things" have made me a skeptic.

    You are entitled to believe what you want to believe. It is OK with me.

    in this case, we have also heard defence minister teo chee hean speak on TV about the review of penalties by MINDEF for ppl who evade NS, and the possibility of pressing for jail sentences in the future.

    so, what was reported previously in the ST forum about this particular issue was reliable.

    to me, ST is definitely not so untruthful in its reporting that it can only be labelled "entertainment". case in point....T.T. Durai learned the hard way that the ST did report the NKF saga fairly and factually.

  6. #186

    Lightbulb Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    let me clarify.

    the MOD's reply was published in the forum page. while the editor of forum reserves the right to edit letters sent in, i do not think that replies from ministries, government related bodies or agencies published in forum are subject to such editing. for this reason, it is reliable.

    maybe, in my small and narrow mind, i cannot see that it is not reliable.

    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    so, what was reported previously in the ST forum about this particular issue was reliable.
    Last edited by reachme2003; 2nd December 2005 at 05:28 PM.

  7. #187

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    in this case, we have also heard defence minister teo chee hean speak on TV about the review of penalties by MINDEF for ppl who evade NS, and the possibility of pressing for jail sentences in the future.

    so, what was reported previously in the ST forum about this particular issue was reliable.

    to me, ST is definitely not so untruthful in its reporting that it can only be labelled "entertainment". case in point....T.T. Durai learned the hard way that the ST did report the NKF saga fairly and factually.

    My concept of "reliabilty" differs somewhat.

    The "reporting" may even be verbatim (which is seldom the case), and in that sense, they are "reliable". But I have seen enough to be convinced that what was "reliably" reported may not contain "reliable" facts. And with due respects to the people being quoted, I take all reports with a pinch of salt. I do not care where they were from.

    Of course, not all reports are "inaccurate". The problem is that I do not know which reports are accurate.

    Sometimes what was not spoken is a lot more revealing.
    Last edited by student; 2nd December 2005 at 08:30 PM.

  8. #188
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    1 Dalvey Road
    Posts
    474

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    in this case, we have also heard defence minister teo chee hean speak on TV about the review of penalties by MINDEF for ppl who evade NS, and the possibility of pressing for jail sentences in the future.

    so, what was reported previously in the ST forum about this particular issue was reliable.

    to me, ST is definitely not so untruthful in its reporting that it can only be labelled "entertainment". case in point....T.T. Durai learned the hard way that the ST did report the NKF saga fairly and factually.
    why not press for jail sentence now???
    waiting for a poor evader???


  9. #189

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by judeseah
    why not press for jail sentence now???
    waiting for a poor evader???

    u have to draw the line somewhere. unless MINDEF decides to appeal the decision by the court and press for a jail sentence now for melvyn tan, melvyn will be the last draft dodger who is lucky enough to escape a jail sentence.

  10. #190

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by togu
    I was 31 when I recived my thank you letter for completing the ICT cycle.


    are you from commandos?

  11. #191

    Lightbulb Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    may be the last. parliament will sit before the end of the year to debate it. still have time. hehe!

    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    u have to draw the line somewhere. unless MINDEF decides to appeal the decision by the court and press for a jail sentence now for melvyn tan, melvyn will be the last draft dodger who is lucky enough to escape a jail sentence.

  12. #192
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    3,779

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by zaren
    ST is definitely not so untruthful in its reporting that it can only be labelled "entertainment". case in point....T.T. Durai learned the hard way that the ST did report the NKF saga fairly and factually.
    Yah hor! No news on what's happening to the NKF thingy till now. Hmmmmm...... Something fishy.....

  13. #193

    Lightbulb Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    maybe the outcome of KPMG's audit timed for release in mid dec is to coincide with the merry making and 'forgive and forget' sentiments commonly associated with the season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum
    Yah hor! No news on what's happening to the NKF thingy till now. Hmmmmm...... Something fishy.....

  14. #194
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    3,779

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    may be the last. parliament will sit before the end of the year to debate it. still have time. hehe!
    Frankly speaking. If you are a child of any 'Big Shots' or related to any of the gov people here.....most probably, you are save from all this things. But, even if you are serving the army, you will be in good hands all the way. Well, this is life in the reality of Singapore. Don't you people think so? Normal folks life here is cheap anyway, but not the 'Big Shots'.

  15. #195

    Lightbulb Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    pianist tan has called off his appearances in dec. likely cause - the deteriorating public sentiments.
    Last edited by reachme2003; 4th December 2005 at 09:20 AM.

  16. #196

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum
    But, even if you are serving the army, you will be in good hands all the way. Well, this is life in the reality of Singapore. Don't you people think so? Normal folks life here is cheap anyway, but not the 'Big Shots'.
    Thats why there is such classification called "White horse".

  17. #197

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003
    pianist tan has called off his appearances in dec. likely cause - the deteriorating public sentiments.
    Pity. so all this hoohaa and in the end we lose a talent. He could have saved $5000 and all the trouble.

  18. #198
    Senior Member Ansel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Land Downunder
    Posts
    2,207

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    Pity. so all this hoohaa and in the end we lose a talent. He could have saved $5000 and all the trouble.
    I understand MT also lost his $30k security deposit made in the seventies, which converted to today's terms, is probably a sizable sum.

    Wonder why most people in Singapore think that the *ONLY* way a man can serve his country is to serve NS. MT could have been made to serve in other ways, since he is already near 50 years old liao. He could have been welcomed back to his country of birth with open arms and encouraged to serve Singapore in his field of expertise, ie, the Arts; something which we are known to have paid foreigners $m's of dollars to do.

    I did my time in NS(2.5 years + reservist years), so I can understand the hardship most NSmen experienced. But I am open to the idea that if someone can serve the country in some special way, he need not do NS the usual way, like the rest of us.

    Jus IMHO.

  19. #199
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,305

    Default Re: Awol For 30 Years And Only Got $5000 Fine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belle&Sebastain
    are you from commandos?
    trust me, I have seen togu in the flesh, he is no commandos material, haha...

Page 10 of 10 FirstFirst ... 58910

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •