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    Default Seven years to repair trains???

    Is there really a big shxx that they don't hv a solution yet???

    I wonder whether all the Japanese made HDB lifts are also replaced too.

    Scary.

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    Default Re: Seven years to repair trains???

    A country where public transport is so critical...better hope the new buses aren't built in same place the trains were.
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    Default Re: Seven years to repair trains???

    Read and understand....

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...s/2935514.html


    It added that the replacement will take up to four months for each car body.

    As of Wednesday, car-body replacement works for five of the 26 trains have been completed, while the car-body of the sixth train is being replaced.

    LTA also explained that it sends only one train back to the factory in China at any one time to minimise the impact on train operations.

    "We did not send all of the trains back at once as they were still fit and safe for service and we wanted to ensure sufficient train-availability for commuters," it said.

    PS.... most factories/ship yard, doesn't sit around waiting for customer to send trains back for repair or modification.... they actively built something for a living... meaning they may not have empty slots in the factory line to repair large amount of return trains. Also, each train is custom made... therefore most of the bodies of the trains have to be custom built too... all this take time.
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    "One train back at a time"?
    Only you are naive enough to believe them.
    Hv you not seen the aerial photo and the video by the hk media?

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    Spore is really getting more dangerous than jb.
    So many sneaky things going on.
    How many more are we not aware of?
    Sad. Really sad.

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    Still waiting for COE of bikes to hit $100k.... still waiting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by can100D View Post
    "One train back at a time"?
    Only you are naive enough to believe them.
    Hv you not seen the aerial photo and the video by the hk media?

    Btw... do you know that each 'Train' is comprised of 6 cars... and each canvas (those Green ones) hold one car...


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    Do notice the white colored shipping container on the right of the screenshot.... those are 40 foot containers... 2 of them make 80 feet... notice they are slightly longer than each section of the canvas covered car... its because each Kawasaki/Sifang series car is about 74 feet for the motorized cars (those 4 closed together) and 78 feet for the Driving Trailer (the one next to the two 40 foot container)...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasa...o_Sifang_C151A

    Remember... 6 Cars when joint together... make one train... can you count how make canvas covered object there is ??

    Here's another screenshot from a difference angle... see the two 40 foot container ??

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    Or a street view of each canvas covered car...

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    Do you think each lorry could hold one 'train' which is 140+m in length ??

    I may be naive... if naive meant getting my information from correct and trusted sources...
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    So, how many defective TRAINS are still running in spore???
    And if train has 6 cars, you hv 6 times higher probability of failure (fatal?) if anyone of the 6 were to break away.
    I know you will say that they said it is not safety-critical. LOL. Naive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can100D View Post
    So, how many defective TRAINS are still running in spore???
    And if train has 6 cars, you hv 6 times higher probability of failure (fatal?) if anyone of the 6 were to break away.
    I know you will say that they said it is not safety-critical. LOL. Naive?

    1st off... at least have the decency to admit you were wrong about the numbers of train being sent back at any one time... then read this and understand....

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...s/2935514.html


    And if I have to choose my information from a trusted and referable sources, or from keyboard warriors with conspiracy theories and yet can't back up his/her theories with facts and figures... aka, being 'Naive' or 'Stupid'.... I think being 'Naive' is less of a sin here.


    Oh... by the way, COE for bikes have not reach $100k yet... yet another thing you got wrong...
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    Sad that many sporean nowadays has got this ostrich mentality. When things go wrong, instead of demanding for improvement, they would hide their head underground and try to console themselves that everything is fine as long we are not worse than others.
    And blame those that voice out as having conspiracy? Pathetic!
    if my children need not travel by train, i would not give a daxx.

    Problem is, now not only train. Lifts is also facing so much problem that BCA needs to step in.

    Sad, real sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can100D View Post
    Sad that many sporean nowadays has got this ostrich mentality. When things go wrong, instead of demanding for improvement, they would hide their head underground and try to console themselves that everything is fine as long we are not worse than others.
    And blame those that voice out as having conspiracy? Pathetic!
    if my children need not travel by train, i would not give a daxx.

    Problem is, now not only train. Lifts is also facing so much problem that BCA needs to step in.

    Sad, real sad.


    I got better things to do than to debate endless about your Conspiracy Theories (which you yet could provide source) ... I feel equally sad for people who keep having trust issue....

    Till you have some new, trustworthy and referable sources... I'll consider the original question of this thread answered...


    And still... COE for bikes hasn't reach $100k right after the election... or almost one year after the election. Time to admit the prediction came out from the 'Rear'....
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    I think the major fail here is how the PR is handled and flow of (or lack of) information... Things breakdown, and plans/schedules have to formulated to get things repaired or sent back to manufacturer. Even when releasing the press release, it can be done a lot clearer, with more detail and accuracy, so as avoid creating some unnecessary outcry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    I think the major fail here is how the PR is handled and flow of (or lack of) information... Things breakdown, and plans/schedules have to formulated to get things repaired or sent back to manufacturer. Even when releasing the press release, it can be done a lot clearer, with more detail and accuracy, so as avoid creating some unnecessary outcry...


    IMHO... won't stop certain people from forming whatever Conspiracy Theories they have already set in their minds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    IMHO... won't stop certain people from forming whatever Conspiracy Theories they have already set in their minds...
    I fully agree with you. And some people don't even acknowledge much less apologise for their strident false or mistaken assertions IMHO these are not "secrets" hidden intentionally to mislead people. In fact sending faulty parts for repairs need to be announced to the whole world, for what? Only if service is impacted then the authorities have to addressed it in a clear comprehensive and credible manner to those affected. Some people are inclined to see ghosts in every shadow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    I fully agree with you. And some people don't even acknowledge much less apologise for their strident false or mistaken assertions IMHO these are not "secrets" hidden intentionally to mislead people. In fact sending faulty parts for repairs need to be announced to the whole world, for what? Only if service is impacted then the authorities have to addressed it in a clear comprehensive and credible manner to those affected. Some people are inclined to see ghosts in every shadow.
    My personal opinion is that SMRT did not want to reveal these information for fear of backlash especially after all the breakdowns the last few years. but it backfired when a foreign media agency released the news. In this day and age, it is better to be upfront and release all these news and information when there is a discovery and decisions are made. That is the correct attitude.

    Of course, being a corporation in the private sector, they have the right not to reveal certain facts. But as an operator of a public transport system, there is indeed some sort of expectation by the public that the company should be forthcoming and upfront with information. It comes down to the thin line between a commercial entity and an organization providing basic services to the public. One can even argue it is a question of whether we should privatize certain public services...

    Ackknowledge the problem, come up with an action plan, and inform the public in a timely fashion. That is the most basic attitude the public is looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    I fully agree with you. And some people don't even acknowledge much less apologise for their strident false or mistaken assertions IMHO these are not "secrets" hidden intentionally to mislead people. In fact sending faulty parts for repairs need to be announced to the whole world, for what? Only if service is impacted then the authorities have to addressed it in a clear comprehensive and credible manner to those affected. Some people are inclined to see ghosts in every shadow.

    Allow me elaborate farther...

    * The affected trains are under warranty... all repairs, including the cost of shipping the train back to China is bored by the train maker.... either SMRT or LTA will have to pay anything... therefore no extra $$$$ is spent... which meant Shareholders should have nothing to worry about regarding cost of repair.

    * Trains are shipped back one at a time... train operations issues are minimize. Which meant passenger would unlikely be affect with a shortage of trains...

    * Expert from LTA has proclaimed that the train is still safe... while we may argue about how sure or correct those 'Experts' are, I have yet seen another report which stated some other 'Experts' disagreeing with LTA.... and the fact that till today no train has separated from its bogies... LTA could very much claim that they are correct... for NOW anyway....


    So....

    * Not extra cost inclined...
    * Limited disruption to passenger service....
    * No safety issue (at least till now)...

    Could someone please explain WHY SMRT or LTA is in the wrong to not 'tell' the rest of the world they are claiming warranty to fix their trains ?? Is there a law against not information S'porean when companies claim warranty ??


    If someone like conspiracy theories.... how about the fact that the current unhappiness the H.K people is having with China, being the reason why their news report is highlighting this issue, which is between two company, to stop H.K train operator buying 100++ China made trains....

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    IMHO... won't stop certain people from forming whatever Conspiracy Theories they have already set in their minds...
    If one chooses to be an operator of any public services, it can never be avoided that there will be detractors. The best way to minimize the impact is to be upfront and transparent. Most of the logical public population will understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    Allow me elaborate farther...

    * The affected trains are under warranty... all repairs, including the cost of shipping the train back to China is bored by the train maker.... either SMRT or LTA will have to pay anything... therefore no extra $$$$ is spent... which meant Shareholders should have nothing to worry about regarding cost of repair.

    * Trains are shipped back one at a time... train operations issues are minimize. Which meant passenger would unlikely be affect with a shortage of trains...

    * Expert from LTA has proclaimed that the train is still safe... while we may argue about how sure or correct those 'Experts' are, I have yet seen another report which stated some other 'Experts' disagreeing with LTA.... and the fact that till today no train has separated from its bogies... LTA could very much claim that they are correct... for NOW anyway....


    So....

    * Not extra cost inclined...
    * Limited disruption to passenger service....
    * No safety issue (at least till now)...

    Could someone please explain WHY SMRT or LTA is in the wrong to not 'tell' the rest of the world they are claiming warranty to fix their trains ?? Is there a law against not information S'porean when companies claim warranty ??
    Because it is a public service, and the public has expectation for transparency in information. Whenever there is a chance for any safety issues, or when it can affect the efficiency of the train system, the public has an expectation to be informed. LTA or whoever can still declare that the trains are safe, but they should have released the news 3 years ago when discovered, and declare that the trains are safe at the same time. That would have avoided the issue.

    If any company or organization is not ready to do such disclosures in a timely manner, then maybe they are not a good fit to run public services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    If one chooses to be an operator of any public services, it can never be avoided that there will be detractors. The best way to minimize the impact is to be upfront and transparent. Most of the logical public population will understand.

    Sadly... I'm finding less and less such people lately...

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    Sadly... I'm finding less and less such people lately...
    a sad fact of our political sense of the population in general. Contributed in part by a very one sided political landscape for many years as well as a one dimensional education system.

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