Is minolta flash most advance??

[tokrot]

Hi Guys,

Just bought the 5600HS (d) days ago and didn't had much chance to play with it until I have time. Did some reading on some sites and realise that Minolta is very advance as compared to competition. May I ask whether the following is still true now?

1) only minolta in camera flash can act as a master in wireless flash
2) only minolta can do TTL in wireless
3) only minolta can do HSS in wireless

Can any expert tell me whether these still hold true for minolta? Thanks..

[GENO]

i like their wireless v much....i also like the nikon flash ...its metering is great.

[TME]

I think only (1) and (3) are still true... don't quote me on it though...

[grado]

On film camera, the 5600HS is incredibly accurate with the Dynax 7. On DSLR though, I think the Nikon SB800 is a better flash system. Minolta DSLR dun seem to meter as accurately in ratio mode as compared to their film cameras... Anyway here is a sample pic taken with the Nikon SB800 and D70... Quite please with the results, mostly quite consistent...

[TME]

Originally Posted by grado On film camera, the 5600HS is incredibly accurate with the Dynax 7. On DSLR though, I think the Nikon SB800 is a better flash system. Minolta DSLR dun seem to meter as accurately in ratio mode as compared to their film cameras... Anyway here is a sample pic taken with the Nikon SB800 and D70... Quite please with the results, mostly quite consistent...

U are using two systems?

[deslim27]

Originally Posted by tokrot 1) only minolta in camera flash can act as a master in wireless flash 2) only minolta can do TTL in wireless 3) only minolta can do HSS in wireless Can any expert tell me whether these still hold true for minolta? Thanks..

No longer I guess.. I believe Nikon can do better now. Canon can do (2) and (3), need additional accessories for (1) but using IR instead of usual flash. But their flag ship flash, 580EX can act as master and control up to 3 group of wireless flashes at different ratios. (but that will be 4 flashes in total at least )

[grado]

Originally Posted by TME U are using two systems?

Yes, minolta film system and nikon dslr... hahah... Bought the Nikon D70 a year before minolta launched their first proper DSLR as I could not resist having a DSLR, in which the D70was a great buy then. Maybe when Minolta releases a new and improved D7D, then maybe I would sell my Nikon system and go back to minolta.

[Zerstorer]

Originally Posted by tokrot 1) only minolta in camera flash can act as a master in wireless flash 2) only minolta can do TTL in wireless 3) only minolta can do HSS in wireless

Used to be all true, now with the SB800 and nikon CLS system all of the above can be done better. No ratio TTL flash for KM wireless currently.

[TME]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer Used to be all true, now with the SB800 and nikon CLS system all of the above can be done better. No ratio TTL flash for KM wireless currently.

Is No. 1 true? I think he means that the onboard flash acting as a controller for the wireless flash... does Nikon have that now?

[Zerstorer]

Originally Posted by TME Is No. 1 true? I think he means that the onboard flash acting as a controller for the wireless flash... does Nikon have that now?

Ever since the D70.

[TME]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer Ever since the D70.

Aww.... even that has been taken away from Minolta... really need to buck up... hopefully with a new flash we can see the implementation of what Nikon has on the SB800 - able to do FEC on the flash directly via the LCD panel...

[tokrot]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer Used to be all true, now with the SB800 and nikon CLS system all of the above can be done better.

I am not very sure. But according to Gary Friedman's latest ebook which was written in less than 1/2 yrs ago and published two months back. I quoted from his ebook:

Although competing camera brands are catching up, Minolta is still the only manufacturer whose tiny built-in flash can communicate with the big, off-camera flashes, saving the user (you) lots of money by not having to buy a big flash to simply act as an on-camera flash controller. Minolta is also the only manufacturer to allow “High Speed Sync” (HSS – the ability to shoot flash at substantially faster shutter speeds than in the past) with the flashes in wireless mode;

Btw I mentioned the features available on Wireless, not when mounting on the camera.

Quote: No ratio TTL flash for KM wireless currently.

You mean this one?

Can any one confirm your claim too?

[Zerstorer]

Originally Posted by tokrot Although competing camera brands are catching up, Minolta is still the only manufacturer whose tiny built-in flash can communicate with the big, off-camera flashes, saving the user (you) lots of money by not having to buy a big flash to simply act as an on-camera flash controller.

I have taken shots many times with my D70 and SB800 as remote. Gary Friedmann seriously needs to update his knowledge before publishing any new ebook. The D70/SB800 has been out for 1yr 10mths and counting.

Quote: Minolta is also the only manufacturer to allow “High Speed Sync” (HSS – the ability to shoot flash at substantially faster shutter speeds than in the past) with the flashes in wireless mode; Btw I mentioned the features available on Wireless, not when mounting on the camera.

Yes. As I said, it all used to be true, now no longer. Nikon does it too and better. Seriously I'm shocked at how Gary can get this all wrong.

Quote: You mean this one? Can any one confirm your claim too?

My statement for Wireless ratio is referring to KM DSLR usage. It used to work for film, but many have stated that it is currently not supported in their DSLRs. Why don't you try it out since you have the 5600HS and 7D now?


Seriously though, I won't be concerned of whether Minolta is the only one that can do it or not. What matters more is the features you actually use and the features that you actually need. Having the what is recognized as the best tool in the world don't mean squat if it doesn't suit your purpose.

[Zerstorer]

Here's the official word from minolta itself, note the compatibility chart for the 7d/5d, no RATIO support:
http://konicaminolta.com/products/co..._flashes2.html

[Zerstorer]

Basically, Gary Friedman lifted alot of what he originally wrote and posted on Photo.net years ago and simply pasted it into his new flash ebook if that was where you got those quotes. The information is seriously out of date.

[tokrot]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer Basically, Gary Friedman lifted alot of what he originally wrote and posted on Photo.net years ago and simply pasted it into his new flash ebook if that was where you got those quotes. The information is seriously out of date.

OMG! Thanks Zerstorer! It seems that Gary needs an update on his knowledge, so basically I guess Nikon has the best flash wireless system now.

[TME]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer Basically, Gary Friedman lifted alot of what he originally wrote and posted on Photo.net years ago and simply pasted it into his new flash ebook if that was where you got those quotes. The information is seriously out of date.

Someone should email him...

[sulhan]

Hiee Pals...

Post your sample shots with wireless and how its usefulness to your shooting style.
The comparison of "My bird is bigger/better than yours" thingy will never end.....no wonder bird got flu.....

Only results will show how a tool is useful for each phootgraphers needs....

So post yours here...http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=160610


rgds,
sulhan

[Knighthunter]

I just got 7D after selling all my Nikon Gears.
After using it a while Nikon Matrix RGB metering matched with D-TTL/i-TTL still superior.

[Drudkh]

Originally Posted by Knighthunter I just got 7D after selling all my Nikon Gears. After using it a while Nikon Matrix RGB metering matched with D-TTL/i-TTL still superior.

Really? May I ask you how many DSLRs did Nikon make before the Dynax 7D came out? Its funny too that I saw most of your shots from your D1x in your gallery were underexposed.