A simple shot with wireless flash

[UY79]

Took this a short while ago while covering a wedding for my friend.



Shot was taken in manual mode to darken the sky and surrounding with the flash in wireless TTL to provide the key light.

Generally, the 5600HS could provide enough illumination for up 3-4 person in a frame without much falloff even shooting at f/16 if the need arises.

An easy way to give a studio feel to outdoor shoot without the hassle of an outdoor strobe. Although a outdoor strobe will give a much better effect. But that's the trade off.

[TME]

Nice shot but there is blooming hotspot on her forehead. I thought using a omnibounce or bounce card can soften the light? Or lightsphere if u have one... kekeke.... btw, how many takes to get the exposure right? I assume the flash is in auto mode, TTL and not manual?

[UY79]

Originally Posted by TME Nice shot but there is blooming hotspot on her forehead. I thought using a omnibounce or bounce card can soften the light? Or lightsphere if u have one... kekeke.... btw, how many takes to get the exposure right? I assume the flash is in auto mode, TTL and not manual?

The flash was abit too close. I didn't use bounce device as it might have cut too much light.

I took 2 shot before this. Just have darken the surrounding to preference and add flash. Flash was in TTL.

[Lawyon]

Just curious. Was the flash handheld by someone?

[Agetan]

Originally Posted by UY79 The flash was abit too close. I didn't use bounce device as it might have cut too much light. I took 2 shot before this. Just have darken the surrounding to preference and add flash. Flash was in TTL.

The shine on her forehead cause by 2 things..

1. the flash is too close with high power setting...
2. The oil on her face.. if possible, next time, ask a make up artist to be there and ask her to use matt powder to take the shine away...

Hart

[UY79]

Originally Posted by Lawyon Just curious. Was the flash handheld by someone?

Yes. One of the brothers held the flash for me.

[BBTM]

Flash from her left is it? Shadow casted too much on her right side. To me is over exposure on her left.

IMO, flash should not be direct no matter how unless some distance away. 5600 is a powerful flash, don't play play

[TME]

Originally Posted by UY79 The flash was abit too close. I didn't use bounce device as it might have cut too much light.

Some tissue paper should be enough... actually I have seen people use omnibounce but they up the flash exposure compensation by +1. That gives about -2 EV on the flash which given the distance from the subject should be about ok? The thing is -2EV using the camera's flash compensation still gives the hotspot cos the light source is still a point... I still like the bouncecard because of that... the bigger the better it seems... altho' very unwieldy to use...

[Zerstorer]

Originally Posted by TME Some tissue paper should be enough... actually I have seen people use omnibounce but they up the flash exposure compensation by +1. That gives about -2 EV on the flash which given the distance from the subject should be about ok?

If you up the FEC +1 it would be much worse. You are actually increasing flash output by doing that. How did you derive -2EV from raising FEC +1?

[TME]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer If you up the FEC +1 it would be much worse. You are actually increasing flash output by doing that. How did you derive -2EV from raising FEC +1?

If u separate the flash and exposure compensations, the omnibounce will cut off about 3 stops of light from the flash... hence u tend to need to add back to the flash output to prevent underexposure... at least this is my experience... also the light fall-off is quite drastic... hence +1 would give a ballpark of about -2EV... not exactly but I work with those figures in mind to give me an idea about the lighting level...

[Zerstorer]

Originally Posted by TME If u separate the flash and exposure compensations, the omnibounce will cut off about 3 stops of light from the flash... hence u tend to need to add back to the flash output to prevent underexposure... at least this is my experience... also the light fall-off is quite drastic... hence +1 would give a ballpark of about -2EV... not exactly but I work with those figures in mind to give me an idea about the lighting level...

In this case, there are already hotspots at this particular setting, adding 1EV FEC will simply cause total blowout.

It is immaterial whether your flash/exposure compensations are separate or linked. If you add 1EV FEC, you will always get 1EV extra flash output.

Moreover, unless you are operating at the limit of the flash output, such large degrees of compensation is generally not required in my experience. And if you are operating at the limit of flash output, compensation would hardly have any effect.

TTL usually does a pretty good job of nailing the exposure irregardless of bounce or direct as long as you meter correctly.

There is something wrong going on if you have to compensate to such high degrees.

[TME]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer In this case, there are already hotspots at this particular setting, adding 1EV FEC will simply cause total blowout. It is immaterial whether your flash/exposure compensations are separate or linked. If you add 1EV FEC, you will always get 1EV extra flash output. Moreover, unless you are operating at the limit of the flash output, such large degrees of compensation is generally not required in my experience. And if you are operating at the limit of flash output, compensation would hardly have any effect. TTL usually does a pretty good job of nailing the exposure irregardless of bounce or direct as long as you meter correctly. There is something wrong going on if you have to compensate to such high degrees.

In the original picture, the flash was used without any diffusing equipment... Anyway I'm referring to using the omnibounce as means to diffuse the light and not to bounce... I mean direct flash but capped with the omnibounce just to soften the light. A bit like a filter of sorts... that would really cut the power down. And because it is digital, it does not read the return flash pulse like film and so the preflash will be fooled by the diffuser. So I tend to add a little flash compensation to boost the light level while the diffuser(omnibounce) does the job of softening the effect somewhat... not the best way but it suffices for me as it is convenient.

[Zerstorer]

Originally Posted by TME In the original picture, the flash was used without any diffusing equipment... Anyway I'm referring to using the omnibounce as means to diffuse the light and not to bounce... I mean direct flash but capped with the omnibounce just to soften the light. A bit like a filter of sorts... that would really cut the power down. And because it is digital, it does not read the return flash pulse like film and so the preflash will be fooled by the diffuser. So I tend to add a little flash compensation to boost the light level while the diffuser(omnibounce) does the job of softening the effect somewhat... not the best way but it suffices for me as it is convenient.

Well, my point is...all this is irrelevant. The shot is already on the hot side, adding +1FEC as you said can only make it worse. There is no way that +1FEC will give you a better exposure in this case as that setting will definitely increase the overall flash output.

Do we have an agreement on that?

[TME]

Originally Posted by Zerstorer Well, my point is...all this is irrelevant. The shot is already on the hot side, adding +1FEC as you said can only make it worse. There is no way that +1FEC will give you a better exposure in this case as that setting will definitely increase the overall flash output. Do we have an agreement on that?

I just tried out a simulation to what UY79 has but under artificial light which of course makes it a little different? Anyway u're right in that there is no need to +1 for FEC... I tried flash at 90 degrees to camera wireless TTL with both flash and camera equidistant from me (the subject). Without the omnibounce, hotspots are noticeable, with the omnibounce, the hotspots are significantly reduced, with +1EV and omnibounce the picture looks like without the omnibounce and FEC 0EV.

But I'm not sure if under shade in bright daylight as in the case above whether the TTL still works like that or not... what's your experience?

[grado]

Actually I agree with Zerstorer. Adding +1EV with diffuser would most propably blow out the highlights even more...

[sulhan]

1st level problem.......

Lady's face is oily and shiny........
A puff of powder on the face on the forehead would solve the problem a bit...

rgds,
2nd level...

Depth of field too deep....(probably small aperture) hence the non balance darkened exposure of the background......
kinda distracting too...as per my wife's feedback....

sulhan

[TME]

Originally Posted by sulhan 2nd level... Depth of field too deep....(probably small aperture) hence the non balance darkened exposure of the background...... kinda distracting too...as per my wife's feedback.... sulhan

I think UY79 did say that he deliberately dropped the background exposure...