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    Saw the photographer's FB page he's just a Project Manager with a Laser printing firm
    guess he's just a free lancer or part timer
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    Quote Originally Posted by zaren View Post

    if it is part of the package deal, yes. without the free gifts, the customer may not be induced to sign the contract in the first place. that is the misrepresentation. in this case, the wedding photography was not a free gift but was part of the bridal package. the unhappy customer can also lodge a complaint to CASE.

    another example. you go to a restaurant, which offers you a free dish as part of their dinner promo. you suffer food poisoning after eating their free dish. can you sue?
    Its impossible to bring to CASE.

    Photographer didn't dishonour his services or scam the couple. He done his services and delivered his goods as promised.

    Who is to say the photos are bad? Is CASE qualified to say that? If yes, by what or whose standard?

    Photography is an art. No right or wrong. So in the law, its v hard to prove anything.
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    Even bring to CASE. What the CASE can do, they cannot enforce. They will write a letter to photographer or bridal shop . It is the end.

    If CASE can solve problems, they have many complaints everyday . Nothing will happen. It is just for Show only.

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    May be a new trend... Photographers beware... Name and shame on the way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    May be a new trend... Photographers beware... Name and shame on the way...

    http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/lo...-go?xtor=CS3-5
    Actually I see the social media as a good way to weed out those bad photographers, and keep the good ones in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    May be a new trend... Photographers beware... Name and shame on the way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    Actually I see the social media as a good way to weed out those bad photographers, and keep the good ones in check.
    how to weed out? such photographers come in truckload, many of them start from;

    "Hi Guys, I am helping my friend to take his wedding photos, first time doing this, please recommend me a good ............."
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    Business lesson learned: Quality is always more important than quantity. The photographer should weed out the poor quality photos before delivery. That to me, is his primary failure. I am not a wedding photog, but isn't 800 shots too much for a day shoot. With 800 photos, even the good ones (maybe excellent ones) will get 'buried'. Untrained 'photographers' do not know what it is to be a craftsman or an artist. They are just assembly line workers - churning out the pieces to meet a quota. They think that they are paid for their physical labour - running around and pushing the shutter, not knowing or understanding that it is the final images presented to the client that counts. They do not know that the post processing and presentation part is equally, if not more, important.

    If he want to give everything to the customer or contractually bound to do so, then the least he could do is to create a folder called 'out takes' for those candid and unflattering images. That way the customer will know that the out-takes are not representative of his standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    Its impossible to bring to CASE.

    Photographer didn't dishonour his services or scam the couple. He done his services and delivered his goods as promised.

    Who is to say the photos are bad? Is CASE qualified to say that? If yes, by what or whose standard?

    Photography is an art. No right or wrong. So in the law, its v hard to prove anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by armee View Post
    Even bring to CASE. What the CASE can do, they cannot enforce. They will write a letter to photographer or bridal shop . It is the end.

    If CASE can solve problems, they have many complaints everyday . Nothing will happen. It is just for Show only.

    agreed, not that pictures don't come out, it is only "Buay Swee", who is there and how to justify "Swee Buay Swee"?


    anyway, one way to do it is to make it a law that all photographers must get a "licence" before they are allow to offer their services, but who will want to open this "can of worms"?
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    1) Photographer - shouldn't have delivered 900+ photos. it is too much. Lousy photo should be removed. Photographer definitely has some weird taste from his choice of processing done.
    2) Couple - probably asking too much for standard tanjiong pagar stuff.
    3) Wedding Agency - probably mis-sold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeisser View Post
    Saw the photographer's FB page he's just a Project Manager with a Laser printing firm
    guess he's just a free lancer or part timer
    You don't have to be a photographer to be a wedding photographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post

    You don't have to be a photographer to be a wedding photographer.

    5D Mark IV and L lens take care of everything.
    Yeah, there are many bought this set up as their first camera. :-)
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    Maybe the next wedding camera to get is the D500. Can spray and pray in the dark at high FPS with a superb AF system. Everything sure can catch after that slowly edit

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    all photographers must get a "licence" before they are allow to offer their services
    Yeah it used to be that way...they called it credentials.

    That was grandpa's day. Today all one has to do is read about it on the net and instantly become a pro.

    One thing can be said about the new way however..sure does make people who know what they are doing more desirable and hence better pay!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post

    You don't have to be a photographer to be a wedding photographer.

    5D Mark IV and L lens take care of everything.
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    Give you Schooling's underwear and his good looks, will still cannot swim one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richiemccaw1 View Post
    Maybe the next wedding camera to get is the D500. Can spray and pray in the dark at high FPS with a superb AF system. Everything sure can catch after that slowly edit
    The photographer said he spent an hour editing the photos...

    Maybe he run a batch processing of auto color, auto level and auto contrast of all images. Than burn into a DVD, that take about an hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post

    agreed, not that pictures don't come out, it is only "Buay Swee", who is there and how to justify "Swee Buay Swee"?

    anyway, one way to do it is to make it a law that all photographers must get a "licence" before they are allow to offer their services, but who will want to open this "can of worms"?
    Oh pls hor.

    Uber and Grabcar drivers already KPKB abt the new "licence". Don't add further grievances

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    Does licensing photography service ever work? Who in his capacity can define what is better, good, best photo?

    Example a chicken rice hawker with good picture on his signboard sell a tasteless chicken rice to you ... do u complain after you ate it and insist a refund? NO.

    Its the buyer responsibility to do his homework before handing out the cash to the seller. And is the chicken rice hawker licensed ? YES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miao View Post
    Does licensing photography service ever work? Who in his capacity can define what is better, good, best photo?

    Example a chicken rice hawker with good picture on his signboard sell a tasteless chicken rice to you ... do u complain after you ate it and insist a refund? NO.

    Its the buyer responsibility to do his homework before handing out the cash to the seller. And is the chicken rice hawker licensed ? YES.
    Nailed that one on the head...buyer beware!

    Moral of the story - look for the hawker with the longest line and who sells out before closing time.
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    oh yes. most professional or almost anyone can get a license to offer photography service .. just register with ACRA for a fee of $20-30.

    yes license issue solve. so whats next?

    some big shot come out here and grade the photographer .. who do this person this he is to affect the livelihood of a person trying to make a living out of photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikonzen View Post

    Nailed that one on the head...buyer beware!

    Moral of the story - look for the hawker with the longest line and who sells out before closing time.
    add on. look for the hawker that occupy 2 stall, using one as storage.

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