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    You bros are spitting politics...ahem...

    Those deep tunnels however is the most interesting part if you ask me.
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    I like a deep tunnel too from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by housewife forever View Post
    You are asking a irrelevant question (no offence).
    Majority of the sg citizen voted for this government team and we decided/trusted them for doing the job well, be it the current car/housing/education scheme thats rolling out, we must have faith on that, its the best solution for the society. So i really shouldn't see and complain here.
    Each citizen had his chance to vote for his leader every 5yrs, you made your choice then you should stick with it.
    Let's tread carefully here, political discussions are off limits.
    On a general note I have to disagree with you. Casting the vote for a certain party does not mean to give blind faith (a word that is entirely wrong in this context) and 'card blanche' for the entire period till the next elections. On the contrary, in a democracy citizens still have the right and the responsibility to check the government and to express their political opinion. For this, there are several instruments and avenues.
    For this, I agree with pinholecam: do not keep quiet if you disagree, use what is given to express your opinion and shape the decision.
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    Is SG population growing significantly? You need more major transportation infastucture to support population? Surely small electric cars for everyone would be a more noble project maybe (and create more jobs possibly)? No parking right... A few billion plus the inevitable overrun is a lot of dough. Is there some choice property on the other side of the hill where these subways will go?

    This looks to be a huge issue for you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Let's tread carefully here, political discussions are off limits.
    On a general note I have to disagree with you. Casting the vote for a certain party does not mean to give blind faith (a word that is entirely wrong in this context) and 'card blanche' for the entire period till the next elections. On the contrary, in a democracy citizens still have the right and the responsibility to check the government and to express their political opinion. For this, there are several instruments and avenues.
    For this, I agree with pinholecam: do not keep quiet if you disagree, use what is given to express your opinion and shape the decision.
    Pardon me and my apology if my reply seem political.

    Nope, I have no intention to discuss anything political here.

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    interesting short article on the various geological formations encountered in SG and the routes already there and ones still under construction. Also details the equipment used and specs perhaps pertinent to getting an idea of the sorts of energy involved with these machines here.
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    After reading on how they will do the tunnel, I think it's OK to cut the nature reserve

    They are doing underground 13 storeys below ground. So I'm assuming no trees or animals are affected

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    Hope they don't bother the monkey man...
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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    After reading on how they will do the tunnel, I think it's OK to cut the nature reserve

    They are doing underground 13 storeys below ground. So I'm assuming no trees or animals are affected
    Nature has consciousness too.I let water do the talking.

    Dr. Masaru Emoto : The hidden messages in water. ( over 40 minutes).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0JU03CGFrU

    A little about Dr. Masaru Emoto..His peers thought his research is a waste of time.
    He gained international recognition only outside of Japan.

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    Singapore should have the vision, the ability to see the big picture and the courage to take risks.

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    Given a choice, I would prefer not to touch our limited nature reserved. But if it is for survival, we have no choice but to do what is needed. If the 'round trip' is about an additional 5 mins or $2 billion and nothing else, I won't vote for it. We all can afford more than 5 mins per trip. $2 billions can be worked out by not spending $39 M for National Day celebration and many other extravagant events. Celebration is about people coming together anywhere, not how much you spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Please don't get brainwashed by the American big brothers.

    They want you to preserve your nature and do not progress and develop so that we remain a third world country forever needing their economic aids and military support.


    Well said and many have fallen into their trap not just about environmental but many other aspect. However, we all know Singapore is a tiny or little dot as pointed by somebody, we cannot take it too easy when we use up any part of this dot and left with nothing also. We owe it to our future generations. Let's keep some and you will never know one day, there isn't a need to tunnel through to get across that little patch of green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    Given a choice, I would prefer not to touch our limited nature reserved. But if it is for survival, we have no choice but to do what is needed. If the 'round trip' is about an additional 5 mins or $2 billion and nothing else, I won't vote for it. We all can afford more than 5 mins per trip. $2 billions can be worked out by not spending $39 M for National Day celebration and many other extravagant events. Celebration is about people coming together anywhere, not how much you spent.
    Yeah, they spend 1.2B on the silly Gardens by the Bay. How come they didn't ask us for our opinions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    Yeah, they spend 1.2B on the silly Gardens by the Bay. How come they didn't ask us for our opinions?
    The tourists decide that for Singapore.

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    You bros know where you have underdeveloped real estate? Underground...

    Can you imagine shopping centers and parking lots and the such built underground?

    A respite from the steaming hot day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikonzen View Post
    You bros know where you have underdeveloped real estate? Underground...

    Can you imagine shopping centers and parking lots and the such built underground?

    A respite from the steaming hot day?


    Land reclamation will make this country bigger and more powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post

    Land reclamation will make this country bigger and more powerful.
    We can't beat China in this department

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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    We can't beat China in this department
    Maybe China will help you.
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    There is CNA's "It figures" program tonite featuring "Deep Tunneling" under proposed
    nature reserve @ 8.00 pm..Govt already drilling bore holes to determine depth of granite
    layer.AS reported in news there will be impact on nature weighed against efficiency of a
    straight rail track versus go-around curved track meaning more wear and tear of rail
    assets and maintenance.( Caught between devil and deep blue sea. ) Residents of thomson
    stretch of go-around alternative route complain there will be inconvenience,noise polution
    and aquisition of their residential properties ( Not in my backyard attitude, not ok with residents but ok for flora and animals.) Govt "position" is for going through nature reserve but because of
    public outcry will wait for environmental impact assessment report (EIA).Drilling
    and asessment study will take 2 yrs.before final decision.

    To be frank, what the public thinks of nature reserve ( that it is large and whole/intact ) is actually fragmented because of urban development.Areas that are "cut off" have
    no gauranty it will remain as diverse in terms of biodiversity.Human encroachment towards
    nature do have impact.Are we willing accept the long term costs vs convenience/efficiency.

    Nature and bird photographers take note.

    For the record: Sg tunnel alignment.
    http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/de...s8_2082330.pdf

    The cons:
    Nature Society Singapore's Position:
    http://www.nss.org.sg/documents/%28N...on%20Paper.pdf

    Roads and habitat fragmentation
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_crossing

    Ecological effects of roads.
    http://www.eco-action.org/dt/roads.html

    The effect of animals on soil.
    http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhib...y.1_div.5.html



    Other cons:Elsewhere in the world: Water problem, 3.5 miles deep.
    https://www.earthworksaction.org/med...e#.VtfIbEByWmU




    A look around the world...

    Opposition to tunnel under forest because of costs among other
    environmental concerns in Los Angeles High speed rail.

    LA bullet train under ground tunnel:US$68B wonder of the world but...
    http://la.curbed.com/2015/9/28/99163...rground-tunnel

    More financial headache for LA rail project.
    http://www.planetizen.com/node/81880...igh-speed-rail


    What about London?

    London has a similar AONB (area of exceptionbal beauty) issue,
    extention tunnel to save woodlands.
    http://www.theguardian.com/environme...nd-campaigners

    Animals & water issue.
    http://www.bbowt.org.uk/what-we-do/campaigns-0

    UK govt. environment impact statement.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...ment-documents

    Meanwhile in Australia :Tunnel under rivers and floodplain.
    http://ccag.org.au/bhp-consider-tunn...plain-instead/
    Last edited by one eye jack; 14th March 2016 at 10:33 AM.

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    One can voice their opinion against the tunnel here.
    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1huP...ZcpY8/viewform

    There are also activities being held to educate the public about MacRitchie.
    https://www.facebook.com/lovemacritchie

    Finally to clarify, the tunnels will be underground but the issue is to construct them, boring will need to be done in the reserve from the surface to do soil tests. The effects of the machinery and boring are what is potentially damaging to the ecosystem of MacRitchie.

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